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You're right, I am curious! If I like what a rose is bred from, or who it was bred by, I'll take a chance. I don't think I've had a DeRuiter rose not do well for me...so I said "why not!"
Glad to hear its better than Leprechaun....that one got the shovel last year!
Tammy


Wow! The responses to the original post are so enouraging . It doesn't appear that I need to do all that much with my native soil (clay and minimally sandy). Conflicting advice that roses need a huge hole 2-3' deep and wide, native soil replaced with a soil mix, loads of organic material (at least 1/2 native to 1/2 organic), fast draining soil, etc., caused me to almost panic about the best approach for planting my container roses in ground. The advice given debunks at lot of what I've been told and read--thanks to all who took the time to reply to andreark!

I just ran across your post from last year. I'm so sorry about your loss. I almost had the same experience and have discovered the link. I had used Bayer Rose & Garden care and my dog walked in it (it's a granular) , licked her paw, and very quickly showed signs of poisoning. The cause was a mystery for a long time but it's Disulfoton--the lead ingredient in the Bayer granular I'd used. It is evidently EXTREMELY toxic to animals. Watch labels and avoid. Hope this helps others with pets.

A dutch florist rose? I'm guessing that's a type of rose like a tea hybrid is a type? Sorry, Very new and still learning, but thank you so much for the response!
And It has been, I'll try to see if the one bloom I let it keep is looking nice enough tomorrow to show ya'll!

Yes, long straight stems for cutting and one-flower-to-a-stem are typical features of a florist rose. Think of a hybrid tea, only more so. Many tend to grow tall. Sometimes florist roses are outstanding garden roses, sometimes they are terrible. Florist roses are bred for very specific performance in specific environments--higher altitudes along the equator (Kenya, Ecuador)--lots of sun but cooler nights, shadehouse. I hope your new rose does great for you.


Are those some blooms peeking out of that box, Displaced? Lucky you! Beautiful pups, too!
Bold? Hm, I would like to think I was bold in putting them in the ground and not just lazy/dumb! The proof will be in the pudding, I suppose! Anyway, good job on your results thus far!

This is a good little rose so far. We just had a heat snap with dry winds in the middle of spring flush and this rose is looking great. Most roses I cut lose the fragrance after a day, but this one did not. It's very pretty with a soft color and ruffly edges but they did not wilt or get crispy at the edges. The fragrance is strong even in heat. I wish it smelled like Lemon Spice but I'm happy that it will be looking good in the summer. Right now it is the size of my French Lace, but maybe it's going to get bigger. Nice clean, glossy leaves.

I grow White Licorice here in central North Carolina. There is no discernible fragrance to my nose. It's a keeper in my garden. Full, healthy, vigorous bushes that bloom constantly and drop their petals cleanly. Mine stay roughly at 4 feet max by the end of the season (October) and will be just as wide.

Eglantyne is not compact either. I've grown four of these roses and every one of them grew to seven feet or taller. They were in different flower beds at two different locations. Again, in zone 9B I would think Eglantyne might easily reach eight feet tall. Diane


Yeah i noticed some at work. I saw on a few they had a label strip on one of the thicker canes(right word here?) they'll have a label with two names with a / between. Those multigraft tree's I've also seen, I did not notice a name label on those though.

Keeping them near the house will do absolutely nothing to deter deer unless you have a large dog living in a fenced area that includes the house. They eat pumpkins off my front porch, and tulips from the bed right outside the dining room. We had rose growing friends in the Catskills that had to keep their house beds fenced in even with large dogs.
There are currently two USDA maps in common use. The old one, and the brand new one. The new one is more optimistic. However, the northeastern consensus seems to be divided between people who consider their 'new' zone old news, and people who consider their 'new' zone unrealistic wishful thinking. Since for me, both maps say the same thing, I just ignore the difference. Though I have had enough experience with the zone known as 'zone 6 that never goes below zero' to understand the yawns at the idea of being actually, officially, changed to zone 7.
As for the roses, I am going to assume they are own-root since at this point in time that is probably the most likely way to get them.
Bonica - will be a small climber if it doesn't die back. Reasonably healthy
Rose de Rescht - suitable for a pot. Reasonably healthy
Tchaikovsky - no experience
Elegant Fairy Tale - I should remember if we planted this one last Saturday. I don't think so.
New Dawn - Doesn't like 5a. Too big for a pot.
Constance Spry - no experience
Raubritter - Ours has consistently exhibited a definite reluctance to grow. Gets blackspot, and this may be its problem. Possibly one of the long list of roses that would perform better with a rootstock under it. Not one people would ordinarily think of as a pot plant, but might benefit from pot culture pampering for a year or two.
John Cabot - in the ground
Jude the Obscure - I haven't grown an own-root Austin yet that wouldn't do better in a pot. No experience with this cultivar.
Ceclie Brunner - Montgomery Place lost all of theirs. 90% went the first winter. The other 10% the second. They are on the river, and consider themselves, with reason, 6a.
Graham Thomas - same as Jude
Isaphan - in the ground. It doesn't really sucker for me (one of the few) So long as you aren't into exhibition OGR form, an excellent, excellent rose. Mine is currently recovering from a combined vole/neighbor dog attack last spring.
Alchymist - a martyr to blackspot. Requires spray.
Polonaise - no experience
Baronne Prevost - see Alchymist
First Impression - no experience
Double knockout - no experience. Regular Knock Out has issues with temperatures below -10F.
Heritage (Ausblush) - blackspots rather badly, but survives.
Iceberg - see Alchymist. A rose I have never seen around here with both leaves and flowers at the same time. Worthy of that great RIR line, 'save time, plant directly on bonfire'.
Any of the disease prone roses might benefit from pot pampering if you don't intend to spray them. All the Austins are perfectly...

Wow, mad_gallica, very many thanks for the detailed post!
I do have a dog. I was going to do some co-planting as well for deer protection but essentially I am just hoping for the best.
yes, everything is own root, in a pot. As much as I can, I buy from ARE as i love the larger pots/plants.


or you can put the plastic pots inside the terracotta ones because I find that black plastic absorbs heat and hurts the roots (at least on my bell peppers) but the terracotta works as a good buffer for the suns rays while the plastic helps to maintain moisture levels which quickly diminish in porous clay alone. Best of all is to leave enough space between the inner and outer container and fill with damp sand or even layers of newspaper - this will work well with 2 layers of plastic too.
Hoping not to re-ignite the plastic/terracotta rumbles.

I will continue to remove them. I hope you are right because this one was a gift from my daughter and I would really hate to lose it. I wasn't sure if it was rose tree or tree rose so thanks for letting me know. I am here to learn everything I can. I have a question about plant markers but guess I should post that separately. I'll let you know how she does. Thank you again for your help

I have a lot of roses that have those little yellow leaves. The weather has been so crazy, my roses tried leafing out a few times and were frozen back. We are having some nice windy/rainy weather, so I'm hoping that gets rid of all those ugly leaves.

Mother of Pearl's flower is a respectable HT flower in size and form. It's just not particularly big. The plant has very good hardiness and disease resistance compared to HTs. It is prolific, and the flowers last unusually long on the plant or in the vase.
I would guess that, in zone 5, winter damage would keep the size of FM or any other HT in check.

Mary,
Wanted to let you know that I received your email, but could not respond to it via email, as it did not transmit your email address, but came in through GW only.
The blooms on Brother's Grimm last for an average length of time, but they do fade qucikly from bright orange to various hues of orange-pink in the heat. The various stages and shads of bloom make for a very beautiful sight when in full bloom. The best part though is that it is a very hardy rose as well and has been disease free as well.
If you want a smaller plant with rather large orange blooms that holds its blooms for a long time, then Orange Flower Circus is a very good one.




Peace?
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.2203.0
This post was edited by mzstitch on Sat, Apr 20, 13 at 21:17
No, don't think so. I've had Peace in the past and this (I think) is quite different.