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But, is that the original form of Cecile, or the Spray form? It is true that different cultivars of Cecile have very different mature sizes. It is also true that plants that are kept in containers will survive in smaller sizes. I have both a Pomegranate and a Michelia Alba tree in containers.Both normally are several feet high, and yet the Pomegranate produces fruit and the Michelia the heavenly fragrant flowers it is famous for at the reduced sizes they are because of the containers.

ARE ships in 2 gallon containers, I'm fairly sure. So anything larger than that is OK to start. After that, it will depend on how large a container you can lug where it needs to go. My largest potted rose is a Mutabilis in a 22 inch pot. It goes in and out of the garage on a dolly. The bay tree that has to go up steps to get in the house for the winter isn't allowed to be quite that big.
There is a direct relationship between how warm a rose is, and how much light it needs. During the winter, the closer to freezing the better. Above about 60, things start getting tricky, which is why a lot of people strongly disapprove of roses in the house. Unheated, attached garages in zone 5 tend to have reasonable temperatures and conditions for overwintering dormant roses. Sunrooms may or may not. Personally, I'd be afraid of the heat loss through the windows if there is no artificial heat, and the possibility of too cold temperatures (below about 25)
It definitely stands a much better chance in a pot than outside.


This is mid-Atlantic blackspot hell, so many roses which are perfectly resistant elsewhere don't do well here. Even the Bucks-- only the pink shrub Carefree Beauty hangs onto its leaves.
I have hopes for Caramella Fairy Tale, which we have in the garden. Elsewhere I've seen a lot of BS on Caramella FT but we have it in an ideal situation here, full sun all day. Cross fingers!
Am giving up on this idea for now. Others in the horticulture dept. were skeptical that ANY yellow rose would look good all season. So we are ordering an Earthkind tea, Mme. Antoine Mari, which has a uniquely delicate beauty. It's sort of a blush color with darker outer petals (we'll SEE just how dark they are in July & August!!).
Thanks for your help. Next season I plan to remove the worst of the nekkid Bucks-- Folksinger, Pearlie Mae and Golden Unicorn. So I may still get a chance to try a couple yellows.



YUM. I've got two Heirloom body bags (which may not survive) and an heirloom own root. I will have to spot it where it doesn't fry. Can't wait for the scent. Hypnotic is what I need most days....
Also have body bag of Intrigue.
We shall see.....
And NanaDianne....I've planted two Ascots this year! and Wild Blue Yonder! and some of the other mauves. We will have to compare.
Susan

I grew it years ago but lost it. I haven't seen much discussion of it here or on the OGR forum. I suggest you contact Antique Rose Emporium, since that's the only place I've ever seen it being sold and ask them. They got it from the breeder, I think.
Here is a link that might be useful: ARE

Thanks, Clinton7719, for the input. It's good to know you got a purplish RdV from them.
:-)
Deervssteve, do you remember where you got yours? I'm wondering if you also got yours from Heirloom Roses, and if this is the growth habit I should expect from my band. The leaves on yours resemble the leaves on mine, from what I can tell in your pics.
:-)
~Christopher

Quadra
Ramblin' Red
Illusion
Red Corsair
If the spot is somewhat sheltered and forms its own little microclimate, then you might be able to get away with Amadeus. It will dieback more than the others, but is very vigorous. All have a good number of thorns.

I have Quadra, Illusion, and John Cabot. But in zone 5 S.W Ontario between Lake St. Clair and Lakr Erie..All three are totaly winter hardy for me. Quadra is a great red, but has a small repeat for me. Illusion is a surprise. I always felt it would be tender here, but has turned out to be as good as my explorers. And has a excellent repeat. All three are diease.free. John Cabot is not red, more a dark pink fushia (sp?) more a hudge shrub than a climber..


Nor for most of us, Caldonbeck. We are not rejoicing in Knockouts per se, but in the work that is leading to healthier rose *plants.* The general public will no longer buy a rose just for some all important blooms that need possibly dangerous chemicals in order to flourish.
And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I, for one, am finding great beauty in some of the more disease resistant roses recently on the market. The rose 'Sunrise Sunset' by Ping Lim is as beautiful as any other shrub rose I've ever grown - and a lot less demanding of my time and energy to reach its potential. Star Roses' Hulthemia hybrids, i.e. the Eyeconic series are really pretty spectacular roses. I think what you are asking for, healthy roses with "at least moderate charm" is exactly what the hybridizers of today are working on. I am very excited to see what comes of this trend.







Do you have florists in India? They have that kind of bouquet.
Do you know anyone who has a garden where you could pick a bouquet for her? I prefer roses that way. Maybe offer them a bit of cash to pick some flowers if they don't want to share.
Maybe your wife has always wanted flowers like this, but they will probably be expensive, won't last long, and may have been sprayed with pesticides. If possible, get her a small bouquet and with the money you save, get her a gift like chocolates or something she would like, or take her out for an evening.
This post was edited by socks12345 on Fri, Apr 19, 13 at 14:07