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I, too, have bindweed badly infesting certain areas of my garden. But I am against the use of herbicides,since they are poison (Roundup included). It seems to me that if ,even using Roundup, it'll take YEARS of work to get rid of the wretched stuff,I might as well just go for Ian's method of just keep on pulling it up,so I won't have to stress about using a poison.. However,I want to try mulching it out , using a biodegradable type of landscape fabric,too...bart

Just picturing the M. Night Shyamalan movie "The Happening" when people were killed off by plants. lol We're all gonna get it for trying to get rid of this stuff lol

OMG Henry. How low can you go?

Did you read the conclusions?
"Further prospective and high-quality case-control studies are required to substantiate
a cause-effect relationship. The studies should also focus on specific chemical agents."

This is nothing more than a reach for a $$grant. Might as well have been for cell phone micro waves.

"precautionary principle World English Dictionary
precautionary principle
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the precept that an action should not be taken if the consequences are uncertain and potentially dangerous"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/precautionary+principle

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The following link gives more detail:
http://www.sehn.org/Volume_3-1.html

In particular the following part should help clarify:

"What about "scientific uncertainty"? Why should we take action before science tells us what is harmful or what is causing harm?
Sometimes if we wait for proof it is too late. Scientific standards for demonstrating cause and effect are very high. For example, smoking was strongly suspected of causing lung cancer long before the link was demonstrated conclusively - that is, to the satisfaction of scientific standards of cause and effect. By then, many smokers had died of lung cancer. But many other people had already quit smoking because of the growing evidence that smoking was linked to lung cancer. These people were wisely exercising precaution despite some scientific uncertainty.

Often a problem - such as a cluster of cancer cases or global warming - is too large, its causes too diverse, or the effects too long term to be sorted out with scientific experiments that would prove cause and effect. It's hard to take these problems into the laboratory. Instead, we have to rely on observations, case studies or predictions based on current knowledge.

According to the precautionary principle, when substantial scientific evidence of any kind gives us good reason to believe that an activity, technology or substance may be harmful, we should act to prevent harm. If we always wait for scientific certainty, people may suffer and die, and damage to the natural world may be irreversible."

Here is a link that might be useful: link for above quote of more detail

Karen,

You will love Lion's Fairytale. Surprisingly hardy, superb disease resistance, strong rounded growth with large white/cream blooms that hold well in wind and rain and once established, it is rarely out of bloom... It is one of the best of what is already a great series of roses.

I purchased Windermere today. I am hoping to use it in breeding. Does it ever produce hips for you?

LOL on the divorce! Love it. I purchased Don Juan this spring in a Kmart bodybag and he is one of my most floriferous roses. Gorgeous blooms. I don't notice much scent but then this may not be Don Juan since it's a bodybag rose. LOL.
Susan

Ended up getting Don Juan and Iceberg. After helping my friend move in, she really just won't have adequate sun for a rose on her tiny balcony.

So far, no divorce LOL...... I compromised. He gets to go buy him a new shiny something too.

Grab yourself a Tamora and an Ambridge Rose from Chamblee's. Both excellent and reasonably tidy roses.

I only try own-root roses because I'm sick of suckers and having the scion die off in the winter. I don't grow many Austins because they blackspot to hell over here on the east coast, but I have to say, James Galway is one of the most blackspot resistant roses I have. It's on par with Knockout and La Marne and Monsieur Tillier. And it's bigger than all of them put together, although MT gives it a run for the money.

Anyhow, I think it depends on the specific rose and also on your soil and climate.

The name of the rose is a c de Montarville. Yes, what a shame that they didn't place importance on the development of hardy Canadian roses. I have a few of the explorers and I like them, especially for their hardiness in our climate.

I have both Henry Kelsey and Alexander Mackenzie. Both are fantastic. Alexander Mackenzie is a beautiful, elegant shrub and I love it even when not in bloom. Henry Kelsey is a monster when it comes to blooms. I'd recommend both in a heartbeat.

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This post was edited by kitty on Sat, Jun 22, 13 at 1:10

Thank you kitty,
I think you are right about the "floribunda fabulous." I googled images of it and it is exactly like mine. Thank you so much for identifying it for me. Do you think the peach colored ones in the picture might be floribunda.as well? they grow in clusters too, there are two bushes there and they are similar but two different roses, and a slightly different color.
Also I have seven cuttings that are thriving, and I am hoping there is a mr Lincoln among them. Two of them have buds, and I am watching to see, anxiously! I got them from another neighbor and he didn't know what they were. I only pray the rain doesn't get them, they are so tiny. I will post pics whan they open and see if you can identify them for me, if you would be so kind..

I am going to shade some of the newer planted roses with shade cloth today, just too hot for them. But Yves kills me with all of those buds, first big big flush and fried.

Yves is one of my favorite bushes, even tho' mine looks mildewy and cranks out only a few blooms. Maybe someday I'll move it to a sunnier location.

Checking the blooms today, Double Delight blooms look the most fried. The yellows and pale pinks look better.

Desertgarden- I haven't had RRD in our area, but I've read that it might help to mix in perennials with the roses. The Brooklyn Botanical Garden did this, when it redid their rose garden after RRD problems. Initially it seemed to help...but I haven't seen anything recent about their progress.

I always mix in lots of shrubs and perennials with my roses. Also, we don't have the same problems with wild roses (too dry) for them to grow anywhere but along fence lines and ditches. They seem to get more water and snow melt here...maybe that helps.

I doubt that the perennials themselves would have any effect, but the space between roses would slow the spread of RRD within the garden. A rose touching an infected rose is very likely to be infected next.

Thanks! I thought maybe I was stressing them too much! It really is an interesting phenomenom! One day when I have some extra time, its one of the things I'd like to do some research on. Mary Rose sure is pretty though!

Tammy

It's important to understand that reversion is not systemic. It is not something the whole plant is doing. Each reversion is a mutation that starts at a particular spot, usually a growth bud at a leaf axil, or maybe just a flower bud. It affects only tissues growing out of that spot. If you remove the reverted stems, you will always have the variety you started with. That's how 'Rosa Mundi' has survived for centuries.

I agree that it could be Folklore, especially if it has a nice fragrance. There is another rose out there that is very similar - Sundowner. I have two of them and they get 8-10 feet tall like Folklore is supposed to do, but they don't have a fragrance. The blooms are identical to your pic.

I agree also that it's not Voodoo. I have one of those - great rose, but it's strongly orange and will burn into a brilliant red in sun. It also does not have the high-tight centers that are in your pic/Folklore/Sundowner's form.

BTW - it appears that you have a case of PM beneath that bloom.

Pat, thank you for those images, your VooDoo is gorgeous! This rose does not have that shading and hasn't really darkened.

Beth, thanks for the info. The actual Maid of Honor is gorgeous! What a beautiful light apricot! I am enjoying this rose, whether it is Folklore or not, it is an attention grabber!

Rosetom, thank you for your input! It does have a nice fragrance. Funny you should mention Sundowner. I also have Sundowner and I agree they are very similar! I think my Folklore (or whatever it is) is maybe a shade lighter than my Sundowner, but you were thinking exactly what I was, I kept looking at them both when this bloom opened, thinking, "are you the same rose?!?" Yes, I unfortunately do have PM on that rose and a few others. I think it is from keeping my pot ghetto too crowded. I have not sprayed yet either. Lots to do!

Thanks for all of your answers!

Andrea

Thanks again everyone for the wonderful complements! I have absolutely no skills whatsoever at the visual arts like drawing or sculpture, so it's nice to think I may have a knack for visual skills in the garden. Holy Cannoli (chuckle) - I'll have to remember that one, Scott.

In the interests of honesty, since people have enjoyed the names of the roses, I have to correct the name of one of the climbers at the back of the fourth picture (with my shed in the background). It's Antique 89, not Handel - see why I don't chime in on rose ID questions? I have both of them, just forgot where they were planted. I tried editing this on the original posting but I didn't see the option listed.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed the pictures - I love sharing this enthusiasm!

Cynthia

Your roses are absolutely stunning! Thanks for sharing the photos....they are a wonderful companion to my cup of coffee.
Molly

I agree good advice from hoovb to look for reasons why the leaves don't look "normal". My Peace rose in the garden will often have puckered leaves but blooms normally. It is the only one in the garden that does this. Again as hoovb said, it could be the nature of the plant.
A comment about growing roses in the pots: I have done this for the past couple of years. When I receive the "own root" roses from the growers, I pot them from their shipping container into a pot that is at lease twice the size of the shipped pot or larger. They usually come in a one gallon size so I put them into a three to five gallon pot. I fertilze with a liquid fertilizer on a regular interval with a reduce concentration mix at first then change the rate as they grow. I follow the same spraying rotation for insecticides and fungicides as the rest of the roses in my garden. I prune as necessary so new growth is encouraged. I place the newly potted roses in a moderate shaded area at first and transition them into the sun/shade area where they will be growing when planted in the garden. I try to plant these "newbies" into the garden sometime during the mid to late summer so they have a chance to adapt to the ground for wintering.

Identify any "dead end" growth and prune these back gently to encourage new growth.

I was told once that own root roses have very limited blooming in the first year beacuse they are new, but as the get older they bloom more and more each year, and I have found this to be true. Good luck.

Wow thanks for all the great advice. Ill check them and report back.

The photo is of a cluster of four blooms. The picture is darker than real life. The blooms are darker than your picture.

I attached a picture from pickering.

Your rose is absolutely 100%, not Ballerina.

mommom, your roses are just going through their normal blooming cycle. The rose will look better if you trim off the ends that are no longer blooming.

Water well (but don't drown them) and regularly. . . and wait. After a rest (anywhere from a few weeks to a month or sometimes even 6 weeks), the bush will bloom again. At the end of that blooming cycle, again trim off the spent blooms, water, and wait--for the next bloom cycle.

One reason your rose isn't doing much right now is that it is still trying to grow roots in your garden. A newly planted rose will probably take about a month or 6 weeks before it starts putting out new vigorous growth.

Patience is a virtue all gardeners have to learn. : )

Kate

Thanks nickl. I somewhat suspected that, the watering of the knock outs, despite the claims how drought tolerant they are. But I was surprised how quickly the cuttings rooted, and rooted very well in just 6 weeks or so. I really didn't expect to see anything so soon, but I had to move them and discovered the well developed root systems. I figured next spring I'd be seeing the results! Thanks again.