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eahamel(9a)

I grew it years ago but lost it. I haven't seen much discussion of it here or on the OGR forum. I suggest you contact Antique Rose Emporium, since that's the only place I've ever seen it being sold and ask them. They got it from the breeder, I think.

Here is a link that might be useful: ARE

    Bookmark   April 18, 2013 at 7:33PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

Thanks, Clinton7719, for the input. It's good to know you got a purplish RdV from them.

:-)

Deervssteve, do you remember where you got yours? I'm wondering if you also got yours from Heirloom Roses, and if this is the growth habit I should expect from my band. The leaves on yours resemble the leaves on mine, from what I can tell in your pics.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark   April 18, 2013 at 6:26PM
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deervssteve(9)

Christopher,

It's been a long time. Most of my roses were purchased from Hortico or Pickering. I also regularly attended the Mother' Day Celebration of old roses in El Cerrito, CA where it's like a farmer's market for old roses.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2013 at 7:33PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

foliage looks normal.

    Bookmark   April 18, 2013 at 1:55PM
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sergeantcuff

It does now :)

    Bookmark   April 18, 2013 at 2:23PM
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the_morden_man((Z4-Z5) Ontario, Canada)

Quadra
Ramblin' Red
Illusion
Red Corsair

If the spot is somewhat sheltered and forms its own little microclimate, then you might be able to get away with Amadeus. It will dieback more than the others, but is very vigorous. All have a good number of thorns.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 10:35PM
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thorngrower sw. ont. z5

I have Quadra, Illusion, and John Cabot. But in zone 5 S.W Ontario between Lake St. Clair and Lakr Erie..All three are totaly winter hardy for me. Quadra is a great red, but has a small repeat for me. Illusion is a surprise. I always felt it would be tender here, but has turned out to be as good as my explorers. And has a excellent repeat. All three are diease.free. John Cabot is not red, more a dark pink fushia (sp?) more a hudge shrub than a climber..

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 11:09PM
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caldonbeck(UK (8))

@donaldvancouver - no, nor me, beauty and kordes style health seems at the moment to be, shall we say, elusive. I've looked up knockouts to see what they are, as they're always being discussed on here, they are not for me lol.

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 11:48PM
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AnneCecilia z5 MI

Nor for most of us, Caldonbeck. We are not rejoicing in Knockouts per se, but in the work that is leading to healthier rose *plants.* The general public will no longer buy a rose just for some all important blooms that need possibly dangerous chemicals in order to flourish.
And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I, for one, am finding great beauty in some of the more disease resistant roses recently on the market. The rose 'Sunrise Sunset' by Ping Lim is as beautiful as any other shrub rose I've ever grown - and a lot less demanding of my time and energy to reach its potential. Star Roses' Hulthemia hybrids, i.e. the Eyeconic series are really pretty spectacular roses. I think what you are asking for, healthy roses with "at least moderate charm" is exactly what the hybridizers of today are working on. I am very excited to see what comes of this trend.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 8:33PM
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zack_lau

The McCartney rose wants to get wide, even on Dr. Huey. I just replanted mine--it was no match for Maple tree roots and languished for a couple of years.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 1:32PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

My McCartney rose is like an HT. It will get tall, if you let it. Its a wonderful bloom:

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 7:27PM
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hartwood

I added Dr. Nicolas to the garden two years ago, own-root plant from Vintage I believe. The flowers are beautiful and full and a delicious shade of pink ... the plant itself was the victim of a particularly vicious rabbit attack, and it spent the summer trying to recover. I ordered a budded Dr. Nicolas from Pickering last fall, in case I have to replace my original plant. The original plant seems to be doing well, and the new plant is in a pot right now. We'll see how things go over the summer.

Dr. Nicolas isn't particularly BS resistant, but it's not a disease-ridden eye sore either.

Last year, an older woman visiting the garden told me that her mother grew Dr. Nicolas and she was thrilled to see it in my garden.

It would be nice if we could delete the above posts which make reference to 'Dr. W. Van Fleet' (the sport parent of New Dawn, and a very nice rose in its own right) so we don't completely confuse new-comers. Since we can't, I'll just repeat the fact that Dr. Nicolas is not related to New Dawn and the two roses are not at all similar.

Connie

    Bookmark   June 4, 2010 at 7:01AM
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clstorey

My Grandma had a Dr JH Nicholas Rose,, it grew on a fence in her backyard.. Tons of pink fragrant flowers. Smelled like a cross between apples and some clove,

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 7:07PM
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lookin4you2xist(9b)

Very nice roses! He's got talent! Thank you for sharing this post.
Regards,
Andrew

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 12:49PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

Mauvegirl8 -- these are not "named" roses. They have not been registered and are not for sale anywhere. These are the products of his own breeding program where he has taken pollen from one rose, applied it to the stamens of another, allowed the hips to ripen and then raised the resulting roses from those seeds.

Here is a link that might be useful: ARS Powerpoint on how to breed roses

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 2:13PM
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minflick(9b/7, Boulder Creek, CA)

Here in Coastal California 9b, 2 weeks ago. Frontier Twirl 1st, and then Louise Odier - which is still blooming, although it's a tiny bush so far.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 9:20PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Mid May - last year around the 3rd week of April - that was the 1st time before Mother's Day.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 12:50PM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

A book that I really like is Designing With Roses by Tony Lord.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 9:42AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

"Landscape with Roses" by Jeff Cox. It is out of print, but will be useful.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 11:07AM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Spray after nightly lows are reliably over 40.

You really don't want to find out what happens if you get a freeze the night after spraying. It can involve grown men crying.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 3:08PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

If you inspect twice a week, you can wait until the first black spots appear and the Bayer can still deliver control.

    Bookmark   April 17, 2013 at 10:03AM
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kittymoonbeam

I personally think they finally spent money on some rose food. The roses were kinda spindly before the winter pruning and mulching. I didn't see any manure, just wood mulch so I am thinking these fat canes and flowers are from some first rate rose food. I'm glad that they can finally spend some money on rose food as they have spent all the money previously on new buildings, galleries and the Chinese garden. Poor roses finally getting some love. They haven't looked this good in years.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 10:47PM
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kittymoonbeam

I saw some hard clipped ivy borders in Denmark for rose beds and it looked great. I think they are much cooler with clouds though and it wouldn't be as nice in San Marino. This last week has been dream rose weather. Cool and overcast with a little late day sun. Those blooms got the benefit and are really oversized right now. I try and get there twice a month or more and I feel at home in the rose gardens. It's a little hard for me to see those bright oranges and yellows overlooking the view to the south. Pastels made it more peaceful to me but I'm sure there are going to be people that love that bold statement. I believe the trees were thinned to avoid wind damage. That big wind storm a while back caused so much damage and killed many large trees. It was very expensive for the LA Arboretum as well. The wind even blew all the leaves off the roses. The icebergs were all naked except for little buds at the tips hanging on for dear life.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 11:03PM
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jacqueline9CA

Kim is right, as usual. Huey will kill Tiffany if you don't get rid of its top growth. You need to dig down gently to the main cane (I think of it as a "trunk") under the soil, below the bud union, and find every Huey cane that is emerging from it. Cut all of them off flush with the main "trunk". If you just cut them off above or at the level of the ground they will come right back.

Then replace the soil (I would probably try and mound some soil around the bottom half of the bud union if it above the ground, in the hopes that it might put out some of its own roots in the future), and feed & water what is now poor TIffany, and it should recover. Then, since you now know what the Huey new growth looks like, you can keep an eye out for it in the future, an it will be easier to take off the new Huey canes (if any) as soon as they show up.

This is exactly why I now would NEVER buy a budded rose - in our climate Huey is rampant, and takes over if you neglect to check for its suckers for just a few months. I know this is not the case everywhere, and in Florida they say they can only grow roses budded on fortuniana, but here Huey is a plague. Good Luck!

Jackie

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 10:40AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Ever see the movie "Alien"? Dr. Huey is kinda like the "Alien". Once it takes hold, "Tiffany" becomes toast. You'll have a lovely, full plant of Dr. Huey (which will look good for a few weeks, then degrade into a blackspotty, powdery mildewey mess). No more "Tiffany". Cutting off the Dr. Huey blooms just encourages more Huey growth, weakening Tiff. And if this has gone on for awhile, methinks that you now have more Huey than Tiffany, and you may want to start over with a new Tiffany.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 2:36PM
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campv

Maybe some mulch? Looking good

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 7:40PM
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deervssteve(9)

Maybe some mulch?

I had two large rose gardens and put down bark. There hasn't been any in my yard for a long time. I'll pick up some bags for the babies until they are well established.
My older remaining roses have done fine without it.

Temperature is still mild, but will get over 100 in the summer.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 1:36PM
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farmerduck

It should be no problem for it to grow more than 3 feet here in zone 6 b.

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 10:44PM
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Roselover1348(8)

thanks all! I really wanted a pink hedge as I plant to plant tons of yellow rannaculus in front of the hedge. I Love the contrast of the yellow and pink and flowers. :) I chose harlow car because it is the color I wanted and is noted to be highly scented.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 12:58PM
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