22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

Thanks! I thought maybe I was stressing them too much! It really is an interesting phenomenom! One day when I have some extra time, its one of the things I'd like to do some research on. Mary Rose sure is pretty though!

Tammy

It's important to understand that reversion is not systemic. It is not something the whole plant is doing. Each reversion is a mutation that starts at a particular spot, usually a growth bud at a leaf axil, or maybe just a flower bud. It affects only tissues growing out of that spot. If you remove the reverted stems, you will always have the variety you started with. That's how 'Rosa Mundi' has survived for centuries.

I agree that it could be Folklore, especially if it has a nice fragrance. There is another rose out there that is very similar - Sundowner. I have two of them and they get 8-10 feet tall like Folklore is supposed to do, but they don't have a fragrance. The blooms are identical to your pic.

I agree also that it's not Voodoo. I have one of those - great rose, but it's strongly orange and will burn into a brilliant red in sun. It also does not have the high-tight centers that are in your pic/Folklore/Sundowner's form.

BTW - it appears that you have a case of PM beneath that bloom.

Pat, thank you for those images, your VooDoo is gorgeous! This rose does not have that shading and hasn't really darkened.

Beth, thanks for the info. The actual Maid of Honor is gorgeous! What a beautiful light apricot! I am enjoying this rose, whether it is Folklore or not, it is an attention grabber!

Rosetom, thank you for your input! It does have a nice fragrance. Funny you should mention Sundowner. I also have Sundowner and I agree they are very similar! I think my Folklore (or whatever it is) is maybe a shade lighter than my Sundowner, but you were thinking exactly what I was, I kept looking at them both when this bloom opened, thinking, "are you the same rose?!?" Yes, I unfortunately do have PM on that rose and a few others. I think it is from keeping my pot ghetto too crowded. I have not sprayed yet either. Lots to do!

Thanks for all of your answers!

Andrea

Thanks again everyone for the wonderful complements! I have absolutely no skills whatsoever at the visual arts like drawing or sculpture, so it's nice to think I may have a knack for visual skills in the garden. Holy Cannoli (chuckle) - I'll have to remember that one, Scott.

In the interests of honesty, since people have enjoyed the names of the roses, I have to correct the name of one of the climbers at the back of the fourth picture (with my shed in the background). It's Antique 89, not Handel - see why I don't chime in on rose ID questions? I have both of them, just forgot where they were planted. I tried editing this on the original posting but I didn't see the option listed.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed the pictures - I love sharing this enthusiasm!

Cynthia

Your roses are absolutely stunning! Thanks for sharing the photos....they are a wonderful companion to my cup of coffee.
Molly

I agree good advice from hoovb to look for reasons why the leaves don't look "normal". My Peace rose in the garden will often have puckered leaves but blooms normally. It is the only one in the garden that does this. Again as hoovb said, it could be the nature of the plant.
A comment about growing roses in the pots: I have done this for the past couple of years. When I receive the "own root" roses from the growers, I pot them from their shipping container into a pot that is at lease twice the size of the shipped pot or larger. They usually come in a one gallon size so I put them into a three to five gallon pot. I fertilze with a liquid fertilizer on a regular interval with a reduce concentration mix at first then change the rate as they grow. I follow the same spraying rotation for insecticides and fungicides as the rest of the roses in my garden. I prune as necessary so new growth is encouraged. I place the newly potted roses in a moderate shaded area at first and transition them into the sun/shade area where they will be growing when planted in the garden. I try to plant these "newbies" into the garden sometime during the mid to late summer so they have a chance to adapt to the ground for wintering.

Identify any "dead end" growth and prune these back gently to encourage new growth.

I was told once that own root roses have very limited blooming in the first year beacuse they are new, but as the get older they bloom more and more each year, and I have found this to be true. Good luck.

Wow thanks for all the great advice. Ill check them and report back.

The photo is of a cluster of four blooms. The picture is darker than real life. The blooms are darker than your picture.

I attached a picture from pickering.

Your rose is absolutely 100%, not Ballerina.

mommom, your roses are just going through their normal blooming cycle. The rose will look better if you trim off the ends that are no longer blooming.

Water well (but don't drown them) and regularly. . . and wait. After a rest (anywhere from a few weeks to a month or sometimes even 6 weeks), the bush will bloom again. At the end of that blooming cycle, again trim off the spent blooms, water, and wait--for the next bloom cycle.

One reason your rose isn't doing much right now is that it is still trying to grow roots in your garden. A newly planted rose will probably take about a month or 6 weeks before it starts putting out new vigorous growth.

Patience is a virtue all gardeners have to learn. : )

Kate

Thanks nickl. I somewhat suspected that, the watering of the knock outs, despite the claims how drought tolerant they are. But I was surprised how quickly the cuttings rooted, and rooted very well in just 6 weeks or so. I really didn't expect to see anything so soon, but I had to move them and discovered the well developed root systems. I figured next spring I'd be seeing the results! Thanks again.

You need to dead head the spent blooms off and wait for it to rebloom. All roses will bloom in flushes and usually the first flush of spring is the biggest and best. KO's are no different. Otherwise that bush looks exceedingly healthy!

Nothing is wrong. Cut off the old, dead, blooms. The blooms on Knock Out don't last very long. More blooms will come. Water.

You mentioned in a different thread that the blooms were "peach". I'm assuming that what you have is Rainbow Knock Out (maybe). Please let us know if that is correct. If so, I find that the blooms of Rainbow Knock Out get very ugly as they age. The care is the same, but the colors of Rainbow Knock Out and the original Knock Out are vary different.

This post was edited by diane_nj on Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 18:57

I moved all mine when they came with us to the new house. We potted them up and keep them in full shade until fall then planted them in the ground.

Yes, you can take your roses with you. I know of many people that have moved they're roses anywhere from a few blocks away to across the country. We need to know some particulars on the move. When are you moving and how far? How many roses are we talking about?

Here is a rambler to be preserved - America (Walsh, not J&P). This still available and is sold nowhere else.

It was in bloom upon arrival and it was such a surprise and delight. I had been uncertain when I bought it because there are few clear photos of this rose online. But wow, was I thrilled at my choice.

I took this picture which doesn't do it justice. Then the next few days it rained and I never got a chance at a better picture before it lost the petals. I wish I could show everyone how really special it is. I stuck it straight in the ground and it's growing like a weed, waist high at least.

Very nice rambler, ratdogheads. One that I got just recently and still listed as available is 'Mary Lovett' -- perfect quite double creamy white flowers, nice scent, excellent foliage. Even more unusual for a rambler, it's listed as "fair" rebloom. In fact, my band of it bloomed a day or two after I got it about a month and a half ago and now has a half-dozen buds and is set to bloom again. Vintage sole source, it seems, in U.S. (another nursery listed, but it looks defunct).

I got the "Marlowe's Soft Orange", too, Cynthia, but no blooms yet, so glad to hear the good report.

Jeri:

You have to understand what this notice means. ALL pesticides have to follow specific EPA regulations - no exceptions.

This notice means that a particular manufacturer has voluntarily decided they don't want to comply with the specific EPA regulations. By itself, it doesn't mean anything for or against that particular pesticide and/or the active ingredient

Many of those on the list are simply there for economic reasons, The manufacturer is not making enough money on its version of the product and doesn't want to go though the expense of compliance.

It also may be that other manufacturers produce the same product.

For example: You'll notice that Clorox cleaner (active ingredient- sodium hypochlorite) is on the list. I fully expect that you will able to continue to buy laundry bleach (active ingredient- sodium hypochlorite) after January 2014 ;-)

This is a different situation from when the EPA ITSELF issues a notice that they are cancelling the registration on a product and/or an active ingredient.

This post was edited by nickl on Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 9:01

nicki stated: "This is a different situation from when the EPA ITSELF issues a notice that they are cancelling the registration on a product and/or an active ingredient."

H.Kuska comment. Please notice the following from a 2006 government document: "EPA officials say the actâÂÂs legal standards for demonstrating unreasonable risk are so high that they have generally discouraged EPA from using its authorities to ban or restrict the manufacture or use of existing chemicals. Since Congress enacted TSCA in 1976, EPA has issued regulations to ban or limit the production of only five existing chemicals or groups of chemicals."

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nickl, of course your original statement is formally correct that the manufacturer may have decided to cancel on its own. However, it is my impression that the EPA often/always? gives a manufacture with a problem chemical the chance to not reapply (sort of to save face), and as stated above in the testimony quote rarely has utilized the second option.

Thus, the general public cannot say why a product is not reregistered.

Here is a link that might be useful: Actions Are Needed to Improve the Effectiveness of EPAâs Chemical Review Program

jeri:

Do you have a reference to black spot infestation being observed on Knock Out roses? We have been growing the original Knock Out essentially since it was first released and at most have seen only a few insignificant spots on the foliage - nothing that I would call an actual BS infestation.

The same is true of our other roses in the same family, although of course we haven't been growing them nearly as long.

This is an area of high disease pressure for BS, so if it was going to happen anywhere, I would expect to see it here.

The Knock Outs do get mildew - in fact, they seem to be quite susceptible to it. At least two of the growers who called me last year to check out the "black spot" on their Knock Out roses actually had mildew. .So I'm assuming others had it, too.

KO is susceptible to cercospora disease, and most people can't tell that from blackspot. I've seen it make KOs look pretty bad. I have never seen a significant BS outbreak on KO. You might find a spot on a senile leaf here and there.

I don't pull off spotty (from BS) leaves. If they are yellow and fall off to the touch, I knock those off, but I figure that green leaves are still working for the plant. There is enough BS in my garden that I don't think culling spotty leaves will help regarding risk of infection.

I have a lot of roses that do well but have various levels of spotty foliage. The infection only goes so far sometimes, apparently (just an observation, not something I've researched).

I definitely have a few roses whose foliage yellows and actually drops, so I'm familiar with that, but it might not happen to all spotty leaves, depending on your conditions compared to mine, etc, of course :) MIP has pretty new leaves at the moment, after dropping every leaf she had this year.

I do cut out ugly parts of canes if they look to have anything more than BS on them. But we get cankers/die back so easily in spring that I just don't risk anything weird cane-spreading. I don't cut green canes with BS spots, but if they are going yellow from it, I cut below the yellow. Yellowing canes are usually toast sooner or later, in my experience.

Susan, mildew on your other plants is a different species that does not affect roses, nor does rose mildew affect them.

The rose species affects apples, but apparently they are different races that rarely cross-infect.

Yes our cats are siblings... (sisters)
We got them when they were tiny kittens...
We taught them when they were kittens to stay within our fenced in backyard area and they always have so far after 9 years.
Even with rabbits in the neighbors yards they do not try to leave...
The cat on the left is lacy who loves to catch little critters...
The cat on the right is cagney whom could care less about catching anything...lol
Cagney & Lacy....

Precious cats!!! Your digging dogs are awfully cute,too! I have had terrible problems with voles. They are worse than the rabbits. I even considered getting a cat, but I am allergic so......that won`t work! Moles do no damage to my garden, but my yard can become a mess. Mother Nature can be difficult, that`s for sure! lesley