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jacqueline9CA

Kim is right, as usual. Huey will kill Tiffany if you don't get rid of its top growth. You need to dig down gently to the main cane (I think of it as a "trunk") under the soil, below the bud union, and find every Huey cane that is emerging from it. Cut all of them off flush with the main "trunk". If you just cut them off above or at the level of the ground they will come right back.

Then replace the soil (I would probably try and mound some soil around the bottom half of the bud union if it above the ground, in the hopes that it might put out some of its own roots in the future), and feed & water what is now poor TIffany, and it should recover. Then, since you now know what the Huey new growth looks like, you can keep an eye out for it in the future, an it will be easier to take off the new Huey canes (if any) as soon as they show up.

This is exactly why I now would NEVER buy a budded rose - in our climate Huey is rampant, and takes over if you neglect to check for its suckers for just a few months. I know this is not the case everywhere, and in Florida they say they can only grow roses budded on fortuniana, but here Huey is a plague. Good Luck!

Jackie

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 10:40AM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Ever see the movie "Alien"? Dr. Huey is kinda like the "Alien". Once it takes hold, "Tiffany" becomes toast. You'll have a lovely, full plant of Dr. Huey (which will look good for a few weeks, then degrade into a blackspotty, powdery mildewey mess). No more "Tiffany". Cutting off the Dr. Huey blooms just encourages more Huey growth, weakening Tiff. And if this has gone on for awhile, methinks that you now have more Huey than Tiffany, and you may want to start over with a new Tiffany.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 2:36PM
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campv

Maybe some mulch? Looking good

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 7:40PM
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deervssteve(9)

Maybe some mulch?

I had two large rose gardens and put down bark. There hasn't been any in my yard for a long time. I'll pick up some bags for the babies until they are well established.
My older remaining roses have done fine without it.

Temperature is still mild, but will get over 100 in the summer.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 1:36PM
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farmerduck

It should be no problem for it to grow more than 3 feet here in zone 6 b.

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 10:44PM
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Roselover1348(8)

thanks all! I really wanted a pink hedge as I plant to plant tons of yellow rannaculus in front of the hedge. I Love the contrast of the yellow and pink and flowers. :) I chose harlow car because it is the color I wanted and is noted to be highly scented.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 12:58PM
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susan4952(5)

ND should be fine. I also worry about the cold. Chicago is expecting snow showers this weekend and I planted bands already. I am going to throw some bark nuggets on the tender new growth. The mature ones have been 90 % pruned, including a monster ND. I figure it is out of my hands.
Wanted for FRAUD - Punsxutawney Phil!

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 9:04PM
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zack_lau

I grow lots of HTs in New England--made it through yet another winter with zero losses.

Sometimes I'll do an early pruning in March--taking out all the woody canes all the way to the bud union with a sharp pruning saw. But, I won't do any other pruning--even though the canes are over 4 ft tall. By leaving the canes long, any early leafing out will still leave undamaged bud eyes lower on the canes.

I pruned 200 roses this past weekend as the forsythia turned yellow.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 10:17AM
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einahpets(9)

Thanks! I'll check them out and see if they ship this far out. $8.95 is a pretty good deal. Did you have to pay much for S&H?

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 9:00PM
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alameda/zone 8

I live 2 hours from Chamblees so always pick up my roses in person. I would think their shipping prices would be as reasonable as their roses - as much as the post office allows. Personally, if I want a rose, I dont even worry about shipping - one time fee....no big deal to get what you want.

    Bookmark   April 16, 2013 at 1:31AM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

If it were me and I had the bed set the way you said, I would repot all the new roses into 3 gal nursery pots in a good growing mix WITHOUT any fertilizer in it. Put the pots in the ground with the lip a little above ground level where you want to plant you're rose's at. Keep them there intil the 1st part of Sept. then take them out of their pots and put them in the ground. I think you're roses will be happy.

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 12:07PM
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farmerduck

I am in West Essex. My Heritage is 3 years old now, and about 6 feet tall, very vigorous and is, with good watering, a bloom machine. It is almost thornless.

I planted some of the roses on your list, mostly ownroot bare roots from DA, two weeks ago.

I have groundhogs in my yard and have not tried Dalia. If you have deer problems like I do, time to put in your defense.

Agreed that Chamblee send terrific plants. Their bands are probably several months older than what you get from some of the other sources. I got two plants again from them this year. The Pat Austin they sent came with 6 buds!

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 11:05PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

Don't beat yourself up. This spring (or whatever it was) was crazy. My roses started to leaf out 3 different times and were frosted back. Give the potted roses more time, they may come back, especially if they are own root.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 12:14PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

I had dieback too. Lost Fortune's Five Color and Svr. de Pierre Notting is suffering. Mine were in pots but in a place I thought was well protected. But I read David Austin the other day about putting roses in danger of spring freeze in a place where they won't thaw too suddenly. Bright Eastern exposure is not good for them.
Growing roses is progress, not perfection. And if we can be patient they will likely rebound.
Susan

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 10:53PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

Absolutely stunning! and knowing you created it, makes it even more special :)

Tammy

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 10:25PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Let's hope K&M likes it...You know we get impatient....
But I can wait for a rose like this.
Thanks Kim

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 10:43PM
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debora(10/18 CA)

I did a Google search, and this was one of the many hits...

Here is a link that might be useful: How to make rose water

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 7:49PM
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seil zone 6b MI

No, not all the blooms will proliferate necessarily. I had a Quietness bloom last year that grew a whole new bloom through the center of the old one. I've never seen that before and the plant didn't have any other odd blooms before or after.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 11:43AM
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Ronn Bonites

Oh. Then I guess it's alright then. Thanks for the info seil!

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 10:31AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Yes, indeed. Blooms, foliage, whole garden, it all looks stunning. I can't stop looking at that scrumptious Koko Loko. I've been debating--want it, don't have room, want it anyway. Yum. Diane

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 10:38PM
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harmonyp

I wish I had a better camera (that goodness for cell phones), as there are so many I'd love to put up shots of that are unbelievable, but I just can't do them justice. Right now Just Joey and Sunsprite are exploding with blooms, but my camera makes both look bleached out.

Diane, regarding Koko Loko, I had no intention of adding her (hmm, maybe a him - we'll go with she for now) as it just felt like she was the next fad after Ketchup and Mustard (which of course I have), and had no fragrance. But, I found her on sale, and I am completely mesmerized by the color - starting out this luscious very light milk chocolate brown but always with mysterious hues of lavendar. The bloom form is stunning, and I'm quite smitten. As i walk thru the garden, stopping at each blooming rose just shaking my head in amazement at mother nature (and so thankful that I have roses after the horrible gophers last year), I stop a really long time at Koko Loko!

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 9:33AM
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seil zone 6b MI

There are a couple of different ones. Double Delight is a white with red edges hybrid tea that's lovely and smells delicious. There's also a floribunda rose called Cherry Parfait that has the same coloring. But I'm sure there are others.

You can search for roses at helpmefind (dot) com (slash) roses.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 7:53PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

And there is "Gardens Of The World," which hovers constantly on being out of commerce. It's a winner where I live. It often shows far less red than it does here.

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 9:23PM
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seil zone 6b MI

You are talking about "hybrid tea" roses not "tea" roses which are a different type of rose. For the most part "tea" roses would not winter in zone 5 so you could not grow them. Most varieties of "hybrid tea" roses will grow in colder zones and that is probably what you had.

A lot of hybrid teas do require spraying for them to be disease free and people don't want to have to do that any more for several reasons, ecology, health and effort. So they are considered more difficult to grow. Otherwise they do not require any different care than any other type of rose. If you can live with some spots and don't want to spray they will still grow and bloom for you.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 8:01PM
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Brian

I have an exact looking rose called a fragant cloud. Thats what I believe this rose is.

    Bookmark   June 11, 2009 at 11:41PM
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SoFL Rose z10

This is definitely Camelot rose. I have one and it is identical in every way. If you look closely the outer petals are touched ever so lightly with a bit of white. That is Camelot for sure!

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 3:41PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Take Kate's advice and relax and give them some time.

I never prune off canes to 6 inches unless that's how far down the die back is. That's very old information and was, for the most part, meant for people who exhibit their roses. The thought was that you would get longer stems on your HTs for showing. I only prune down what has had winter damage. You can tell good wood from bad by the color of the pith at the center of the cane. White/greenish is healthy. Tan/brown is dead. Cut them back to where you find healthy pith. That will often leave them much taller than 6 inches depending on the winter.

As for how tall you can expect them to get, that varies by the variety of rose, health and climate conditions. Some roses grow very tall and narrow and others become low and wide and all points in between. Each variety has it's own growth habit. My Memorial Day bets 6 or 7 feet tall but only maybe 2 feet wide. Hot Romance, on the other hand, is maybe 2 feet tall but gets 4 feet wide because it sends out canes sideways instead of up. They all have their own personalities.

Your roses are very new and immature yet. It takes a rose at least 3 years to fully mature and sometimes longer. But, yes, they should grow at least a foot or more this season and they will bloom for you. Watch them and take notes on how they grow for you in your garden conditions. With time you'll get to know their personalities.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 11:59AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Taller HTs like Tiffany, once established, will grow about 10" per month of growing season if they get enough water. You will probably want to control the height of the plant by taking long stems when deadheading later in the season, when plants have reached 4'-5' tall.

HTs are pruned to remove winter damage (you normally won't have much in 7a) and to keep them from getting too tall, such that you can't reach the flowers, or the canes break over in rain and wind. Modern advice is to prune the taller varieties to around 16" and the bushier varieties to 2'-3', unless winter damage goes deeper.

As for new plants in the first season, they grow as much as they grow, and some start better than others.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 1:46PM
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