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debora(10/18 CA)

I did a Google search, and this was one of the many hits...

Here is a link that might be useful: How to make rose water

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 7:49PM
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seil zone 6b MI

No, not all the blooms will proliferate necessarily. I had a Quietness bloom last year that grew a whole new bloom through the center of the old one. I've never seen that before and the plant didn't have any other odd blooms before or after.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 11:43AM
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Ronn Bonites

Oh. Then I guess it's alright then. Thanks for the info seil!

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 10:31AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Yes, indeed. Blooms, foliage, whole garden, it all looks stunning. I can't stop looking at that scrumptious Koko Loko. I've been debating--want it, don't have room, want it anyway. Yum. Diane

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 10:38PM
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harmonyp

I wish I had a better camera (that goodness for cell phones), as there are so many I'd love to put up shots of that are unbelievable, but I just can't do them justice. Right now Just Joey and Sunsprite are exploding with blooms, but my camera makes both look bleached out.

Diane, regarding Koko Loko, I had no intention of adding her (hmm, maybe a him - we'll go with she for now) as it just felt like she was the next fad after Ketchup and Mustard (which of course I have), and had no fragrance. But, I found her on sale, and I am completely mesmerized by the color - starting out this luscious very light milk chocolate brown but always with mysterious hues of lavendar. The bloom form is stunning, and I'm quite smitten. As i walk thru the garden, stopping at each blooming rose just shaking my head in amazement at mother nature (and so thankful that I have roses after the horrible gophers last year), I stop a really long time at Koko Loko!

    Bookmark   April 15, 2013 at 9:33AM
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seil zone 6b MI

There are a couple of different ones. Double Delight is a white with red edges hybrid tea that's lovely and smells delicious. There's also a floribunda rose called Cherry Parfait that has the same coloring. But I'm sure there are others.

You can search for roses at helpmefind (dot) com (slash) roses.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 7:53PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

And there is "Gardens Of The World," which hovers constantly on being out of commerce. It's a winner where I live. It often shows far less red than it does here.

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 9:23PM
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seil zone 6b MI

You are talking about "hybrid tea" roses not "tea" roses which are a different type of rose. For the most part "tea" roses would not winter in zone 5 so you could not grow them. Most varieties of "hybrid tea" roses will grow in colder zones and that is probably what you had.

A lot of hybrid teas do require spraying for them to be disease free and people don't want to have to do that any more for several reasons, ecology, health and effort. So they are considered more difficult to grow. Otherwise they do not require any different care than any other type of rose. If you can live with some spots and don't want to spray they will still grow and bloom for you.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 8:01PM
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Brian

I have an exact looking rose called a fragant cloud. Thats what I believe this rose is.

    Bookmark   June 11, 2009 at 11:41PM
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SoFL Rose z10

This is definitely Camelot rose. I have one and it is identical in every way. If you look closely the outer petals are touched ever so lightly with a bit of white. That is Camelot for sure!

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 3:41PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Take Kate's advice and relax and give them some time.

I never prune off canes to 6 inches unless that's how far down the die back is. That's very old information and was, for the most part, meant for people who exhibit their roses. The thought was that you would get longer stems on your HTs for showing. I only prune down what has had winter damage. You can tell good wood from bad by the color of the pith at the center of the cane. White/greenish is healthy. Tan/brown is dead. Cut them back to where you find healthy pith. That will often leave them much taller than 6 inches depending on the winter.

As for how tall you can expect them to get, that varies by the variety of rose, health and climate conditions. Some roses grow very tall and narrow and others become low and wide and all points in between. Each variety has it's own growth habit. My Memorial Day bets 6 or 7 feet tall but only maybe 2 feet wide. Hot Romance, on the other hand, is maybe 2 feet tall but gets 4 feet wide because it sends out canes sideways instead of up. They all have their own personalities.

Your roses are very new and immature yet. It takes a rose at least 3 years to fully mature and sometimes longer. But, yes, they should grow at least a foot or more this season and they will bloom for you. Watch them and take notes on how they grow for you in your garden conditions. With time you'll get to know their personalities.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 11:59AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Taller HTs like Tiffany, once established, will grow about 10" per month of growing season if they get enough water. You will probably want to control the height of the plant by taking long stems when deadheading later in the season, when plants have reached 4'-5' tall.

HTs are pruned to remove winter damage (you normally won't have much in 7a) and to keep them from getting too tall, such that you can't reach the flowers, or the canes break over in rain and wind. Modern advice is to prune the taller varieties to around 16" and the bushier varieties to 2'-3', unless winter damage goes deeper.

As for new plants in the first season, they grow as much as they grow, and some start better than others.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 1:46PM
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seil zone 6b MI

See, this is why the right rose for the right location is so important. What does great in one area isn't so hot somewhere else. And this place is so wonderful in allowing us to know that about specific roses.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 12:02PM
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molie(z6 CT)

Absolutely true, Seil, about the importance of location. I lost a Tiffany about 4 years ago when the Dr. Huey rootstock overtook her. She was doing wonderfully and in full sun (I'm in southern CT). Still haven't found her again. This year I also lost Tamora and Just Joey to the hurricane.
Sad, sad Molie here.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 1:19PM
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rideauroselad E.Ont4b

kstrong, that is a very interesting piece of information regarding patent protection and older Austin varieties.

I am a big D.A. fan and grow over 30 varieties, many released before 1990 and several before 1980. I seldom spray and am quite willing to put up with a small amount of BS. But I too get very tired of the bad rap that the entire DA collection gets tarred with for lack of disease resistance.

Every time I hear DA roses broadly denounced as being unhealthy, several varieties come to mind for which that statement is just not true.

For example, Jayne Austin and Crown Princess Margarita. I have grown them both in two very different climates and both are virtually disease proof in my experience. I then looked them both up on HMF to see how others rate them and guess what? That seems to be the general consensus there as well. Add to that the fact that both have blooms and fragrance that are sublime and the fact that they can handle zone 5 winters and you have in IMHO two DA roses that can compete with any others as worthy garden plants. There are others that perform equally well.

I grow them, I love them and I have had huge luck with them. I have a bunch of new plants arriving next week, including some very new DA varieties that I want to trial. But I also have a couple of old rare DA varieties that I have lusted for for years coming.

Different folk, different tastes; different areas, different results; that is part of the allure of rose gardening.

Cheers, Rick

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 8:16AM
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lola-lemon(5b East WA)

I don't feel it's at all wrong of Austin to not want to promote roses that, by human error, he never managed to get a patent on. Without patents as economic incentive, many roses would never be made available to the rest of us. No one is obliged to sell roses that don't profit himself? I think it is also pretty common for rose vendors to quit selling roses , still under patent, if it is not a profitable rose.

Austin has invested considerable time and money creating what has become essentially his own "class" of roses: Austin/English. Managing his channels helps improve the exclusivity of his roses- which benefits his vendors too. It behooves us who like his creations that he remain profitable and stay in business-- and doesn't end up in straits like J&P, High Country Gardens and being sold out.

    Bookmark   April 14, 2013 at 12:24PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

With my pruners I cut the canes into short pieces. The leafy, thinner parts get put under the roses as mulch. The thicker canes I save and put as barriers around new band roses I've bought to keep the squirrels and bunnies from eating them. Since I grow a lot of old roses such as teas, chinas and polyanthas, they thankfully don't need a lot of pruning and they also tend to have thinner canes that are easy to chop into little pieces to drop under the roses as mulch. I garden organically but don't have much disease, and blackspotted leaves, once they're off the rose, dry up and don't transmit disease. I also put large canes on the leaf litter under the trees and with the rain they decompose there after a few years.

    Bookmark   April 12, 2013 at 11:55AM
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predfern(z5 Chicago)

Thanks for the useful information. I will explore chopping, mulching mowering and composting.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 11:23PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

The theory is that the airborne mites will not recognize the leaves as rose leaves so they will choose to move on.

This was inspired by the mites being unwilling to stay on leaves of R. bracteata in laboratory experiments.

At least two rose growers in the central and eastern US have had lower RRD infection rates than they might have had otherwise possibly because of their use of antitranspirant sprays.

To try to answer Lainey's question, I'd need to know where Lainey lives. IF in east Tennessee, I'd start spraying antitranspirants in mid May, or if this heat hold, next week. Midsummer, if temps are above 70s at night, probably not, and then again in August September and maybe into October. This comes with no guarantees. But there is some logic behind it. The problem is, that conditions (local temps, temps in upwind areas where the mites are established, future winds) do vary continually.

This is an attempt to reduce disease pressure on a garden and it has some limited success.

    Bookmark   April 9, 2013 at 1:37PM
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lainey2(7a)

Thank you, anntn,
Actually my zone has changed to 7a, I'm in SW VA. So if night temperatures are above 70, don't spray wilt proof. If that correct?

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 10:47PM
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socks

Lucky you to have the space to move them around. (Lot of work, isn't it?)

I have 5 bushes too close together, an unfortunate clump in the center of the garden, but they seem to be one happy family getting plenty of sun, so I'm not "fixing" them!

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 7:16PM
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kittymoonbeam

I'm a mover too. I keep trying different spots. Some of the newer floribundas are big and I would call them shrubs. It used to be I knew what to expect but not anymore. And everything is bigger here so I have to guess.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 10:03PM
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deervssteve(9)

The Atomist sprayer put out a heavy pressurized mist of materials. I would be able to coat the underside of the leaves. Nothing to treat lightly. My spray bottles and two gallon pump sprayer just do a spritz.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 6:34PM
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susan4952(5)

Big guns.

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 9:56PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Glad to be of help.

I think to get good photos of pruning the plant needs to have a light wall or fence or some plain backdrop, otherwise it's hard to see the details.

jim1961, amazing rose!!! What is that?

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 9:21PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Hoovb,

That was an own-root Hydrid Tea Precious Platinum...
Sadly it started really declining in it's 4th year
with severe BS...Big time!
So in that sense not so amazing...
But no matter what you did to it that rose would come
back...lol

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 9:38PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Order the Bayer Rose, Flower, and Shrub Disease Control (tebuconazole fungicide only) by mail order if you need to. It is by far the best product for controlling blackspot.

Return the 3-in-1 if you haven't opened it. Insecticides should not be applied routinely to roses. Just pick off the beetles and drop them in soapy water.

The Ortho fungicide is fairly effective used every 7 days, so go ahead and use it up. But the Bayer product is effective used every 14 days, and it actually kills the blackspot body inside the leaf. During very hot, dry weather you can skip some sprayings and resume as soon as small black spots reappear. (Inspect frequently.)

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 10:18AM
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wreckitriz

I bought the bayer anti fungal concentrate at lowes. :) thanks everyone!

    Bookmark   April 13, 2013 at 9:30PM
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