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Agreed! There are some really great roses that still win once in awhile. Last weekend Cleo HT won Queen. I don't even know where you'd get that one anymore.
Olympiad has done well here too. I hope they continue to recognize great form over the newest craze.
Anyone else have luck with an older rose?
Hi Emsie, If the canes are brown on the bottom, but still green and blooming on top, you should keep those. Only cut out the canes that are dead all the way up.
I'm not sure what zone you are in, but it could be that the rose suffered from black spot and that's why you don't have any leaves. Some of my climbers get like that if I don't spray them. But if you do trim back some of the tips, they will put out new leaves.
You can also try to trim back the lilac so the rose gets more sun.
Buford said it before I did.
Cut away anything that is dead from top-to-bottom.
Keep what still has green coming from it.
What I personally would do with this rose is sit on the ground and follow each of those short canes from the bottom to the top. If they're dead the whole way, remove them as far down as you can. If they're growing something, leave them be.
Once all the truly dead stuff is gone, you can see better.
Jeri
I have been using this Fimco sprayer from Rosemania now for a few years. I can do all my roses mixing just once, and the wheels make it very easy to cart around.
Here is a link that might be useful: Battery operated sprayer
PR is a new bare root planted this spring, so not an established plant. I hadn't thought of this as possibly just a new rose problem, but good point.
The petals are quite small, but thin? I'm not sure. So far they've shriveled up so fast I can't tell! I've been looking on HMF and everyone else's pics look great, nothing at all like what mine looks like, darnit.
It's in a pot so I'll give it a trial in a spot with afternoon shade. It's a really BIG pot, my husband will be so thrilled. Or maybe I should just dis-bud it this year anyhow since it's a new plant. There are dozens and dozens of blooms and probably that's too much stress for the first year.
Could this be an indication that it doesn't like growing in a pot?
seil was right I went back to the store I bought the don juan from and there were a few other don juans with blooms that looks exactly the same as mine
I guess this rose in particular has to be well established for it to be able to produce regular sized blooms
ps right now it looks like a miniature rose
To hopefully wrap up this thread, I'm declaring myself out of the woods. I've searched and searched for beetles and the like, and really, I have every day for some time.
After reflecting on the situation, I feel that the impacted buds were probably munched on in the days preceding the morning that I felt it absolutely necessary to spray.
On the Peace rose, a new bloom has opened, and is damage free. Likewise, JFK had a candelabra situation going on. The first to open was lacey, I dead headed another because of fuzzy mildew on the bottom of the bud, but two more have opened and are looking nice.
Thanks again to all who chimed in. Your passion for roses and willingness to help us "newbies" is so very much appreciated.
Scott in PA
I think you nailed it, Scott! You HAD beetles before you sprayed, when the buds were immature. You took care of the problem (at least temporarily) by spraying; or your "beetle season" expired about the time you noticed the issue and took action. Roseblushlyn has issues with curculios in her garden. Instead of spraying, she theorized she could control them by disbudding her roses when they were active. She was right! Instead of a garden full of them, she eliminated their food source and a whole generation of them being raised in HER garden. Now, she has some, but not the swarms of them she had previously. That's something you might consider in the future so you might actually be able to control them without pesticides. Congratulations! Kim
It's amazing what you can find at Lowe's and Home Depot if you know what to look for and if you get there on days of delivery.
I found some great roses at my local supermarket in May for sale-- for about $17.99-- 'Julia Child', 'Easy Does It' and 'Electron'. I recently found 'Koko Loko' at another supermarket for $12.99- all were in 2 Gallon pots!
I love 'Julia Child' and have had mine in the ground for about 3-4 years already. The other 'Julia Child' I bought for my MIL's property to give the backyard area some 'curb appeal'. That is going like gangbusters too!
Yes, the key is to be there close to the plant deivery time, before the roses get picked over and scruffy. I work at an HD, though not in the garden dept. I scoped the roses out daily during May and early June. I picked up Elle, Yves d' St Laurent, Mother of Pearl, California Dreamin', and Adobe Sunrise. I missed out on Julia Child (the few they had sold quickly), and passed on Koko Loco and a few other interesting varieties.
Kim,
I know that I didn't say anything to have hit a nerve with you, but this article certainly did.
I would never have read as many word as you wrote (said with a smile) unless I was already of a mind that you certainly know 'of what you speak'.
This is a written forum, but if I had my choice, I would like to 'pick your brain' in person, i.e, by telephone or in person.
I listen to several experienced voices on this forum. Yours, of course, is one. Because of the 'good' information on it, I believe that I am nurturing 2 small but beautiful rose beds. My babies are all being handled just as several of you have suggested. And they are already thriving.
Please hang in there for novices like me.
I don't believe that a perfunctory thank you is necessary. I am sure that you already know that I appreciate all you write. If you ever get a chance to
visit, I would love to meet you.
andrea
Can Manzate be mixed in the same tank as Honor Guard?
Of billjoebob's list, I have Scentimental & Cinco de Mayo and both do pretty well with regular spraying.
It's funny what you say about Scentimental's weak stems, because I had a Scentimental a few years ago that was weak and floppy. I lost it to an accident and replaced it last year. Even though it wasn't the greatest plant I loved the stripes and there aren't many substitutes so I gave it another try. The new plant is strong and vigorous.
Moondance, another AARS winner, is unquestionably my best floribunda and always has clean foliage.
There here has been a noticeable shift in our yard from Japanese to Oriental beetles, to the point where the beetle damage is merely annoying--there are many blooms that survive the invaders.
I'm not the only one who has noticed this--I've linked a popular press article.
Here is a link that might be useful: North Shore Sun Article on Beetle Decline
I can't speak to which DA's might be resistant in your zone and climate, but for what it's worth, the following have had decent BS resistance in my garden in Ontario, Canada and my Mom's garden in PEI, Canada. Some of these might be afflicted a little by BS in a non-spray and organic gardening environment here, but typically not very severe.
Gentle Hermione
Molineux
Crocus Rose
The Mayflower
Teasing Georgia
Tamora
Munstead Wood
Wild Edric
Mrs. Doreen Pike
The Ingenious Mr. Fairchild
Constance Spry
Geoff Hamilton
Harlow Carr
Queen of Sweden
These ones will get some BS or late season mildew here, but typically not very severe.
Miss Alice
Lilian Austin
Mary Rose
Eglantyne
mispelled- it's spelled Carmagnole! Sorry
i found someone who can do a custom graft. My question is it worth having done for a show prospect? Is the form good enough? does anyone have any experience at all with this rose as far as exhibiting.
It's won several medals overseas but little data exists for US. It's such a lovely looking one.
Any opinions would be greatly appreciated!