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dmoore66(6 NorthWest NJ)

Thanks, Seil,
Will follow your advice.
Thanks everyone else for your imput!

    Bookmark   April 8, 2013 at 7:53AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Seil's advice to prune to white pith is correct for young canes of hybrid teas.

The OP asked when to fertilize. There is no point in fertilizing until there are green leaves to utilize the nutrients. Be sure not to exceed labeled doses of fertilizer, and if you are using more than one kind of fertilizer, reduce doses accordingly. (Labeled doses are always on the generous side.) If you overfertilized last season, there should be plenty of nutrients left over except for nitrogen. Available nitrogen is transient in the soil, so N needs to be applied every year, in several small doses if you are using a fast nitrogen source. By contrast, excess phosphate can build up harmfully in the soil if you keep applying more than is needed.

    Bookmark   April 8, 2013 at 1:54PM
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ogrose_tx

I was given some HTs which I planted and eventually SP'd because of horrible blackspot. Years later I got a Dr Huey, which I believe came from one of them. Unless, of course, it came from my Abe Darby which is close by, has been in the ground for about 30 years. Who knows...

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 11:56PM
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bigtruckerdave(7 NC)

This is fascinating. I've gardened all my life, and grown roses since 2004 and I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable but I have a lot to learn. I may re-think the grafted roses approach in the future. The suckers I found yesterday from the shovel pruned Alba Maximas were very large. Thicker than a pencil and very deep. I purchased these plants several years ago from David Austin Roses. Grafted onto Dr Huey, they were simply enormous in size and grew with great vigor. I think I can expect a lot more of these things in the future. Thanks everyone for your responses.

    Bookmark   April 8, 2013 at 8:10AM
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floridarosez9

Mrs. B.R.C gets much larger than BD in my garden. BD is bushy all the way to the ground and extremely healthy. No bare ankles here. She's on Fortuniana here. As they say, YMMV. Natchithoches Noisette, own root, is a beautifully rounded, healthy four foot rose here. Is Zone 6 too cold for Noisettes?

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 5:31PM
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catsrose(VA 6)

You might also try Rugosas. They are nearly maintenance free. They will take the cold, many are nearly continuous bloomers if it doesn't get too hot, don't need to be sprayed, and most have good autumn color and lovely hips. Many also sucker, so if you are looking for a 'hedge' they will grow into it easily.

Hybrid Musks and Polyanthas have more the knock-out look, but you want to be careful on size, as many of the HMs can get quite large and the Polys can be very small. Both will handle zone 6.

Hybrid Teas and Floribundas require more work and are less cold hardy even on grafts.

    Bookmark   April 8, 2013 at 12:02AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

I'm not sure even Otto would have Don Juan in that size.

Jeri

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 5:39PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

While putting down some mulch a mouse ran up my arm on to my shoulder than leaped off...
I screamed very loud...LOL
I had thoughts of that Ben movie...lol

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 6:38PM
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kittymoonbeam

I had the same experience with CP. I had to try a few before I got one that wanted to grow. After that, I took some good advice someone gave about Peace and didn't cut it back much. Then it grew the best.

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 3:20PM
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floridarosez9

Well, here's a piece of heresy: I don't disbud mine. One, I want to make sure it's the right rose. Two, I'm not really in that big a hurry. They do what they do.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 5:10PM
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Jim_in_AV

In the Antelope Valley, I noticed the same thing. In particular the foliage was very red for the first two months and then was a beautiful, lush green on all. Also, my bud count seemed much higher. Not complaining, though!

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 11:19AM
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C Schaffner

Not complaining, definitely. I'm just hoping it will keep it up all spring.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 1:58PM
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AnneCecilia z5 MI

Thank you, Henry! That was really a neat interview with Bill Radler right there in his home/work set up. It was amazing that he has accomplished so much with just a basement and 2 acres. He has a beautiful home as well. (I can't get over his 2 story sun room.)
But anyway, the best part is knowing there are hybridizers like Mr. Radler out there, who could rest on his laurels but is continuing to actively pursue better (healthier) beautiful roses!

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 10:38AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I agree!

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 11:37AM
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alameda/zone 8

Dont know why your feed store cant order the pellets for you. I have horses so the feed store is my second home. Mine can order anything I want. I also use the pellets on my daylilies - really makes them green up and grow like crazy.

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 12:36AM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

This may be a silly question, but does the alfalfa attract more rabbits? I have a large problem with rabbits already (one: because they eat my roses, two: because my dogs like to kill them) and I'm wondering if it would increase the problem, but I'd really like to try it!

Tammy

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 8:23AM
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suebelle_neworleans

Carol,
Yes, it is very fragrant and I love the scent. I guess it is myrrh, but I never really thought about it. I just love it.
Suebelle

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 12:11PM
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5rosedogs(DFW)

French Perfume

    Bookmark   April 7, 2013 at 12:19AM
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Maxine(5MA)

terryjean
What do you mean by High BS Pressure? Do you just mean that you have a lot of pressure to treat the roses or are you referring to a method by with which you treat the roses?

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 1:46PM
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Maxine(5MA)

Hi Terryjean

wondering...do/does Denver's Dream and/or Hot Tamale have thorns?

Thanks!

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 7:23PM
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socks

Great photos of those beautiful, large blooms. I can almost smell them. Just Joey is a great bush, isn't it?

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 3:28PM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Ohhhh - just what my poor zone 3 heart needs to see.
It's foggy and cold here - blech. All my roses are still in the garage.
Sigh - you're roses are gorgeous.
I especially like Monet. Love that color of pink.
Thank you!
Carol

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 3:59PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

Rhapsody in Blue would be great in San Fran. It hates heat, so you're in just about the perfect climate for it. I have fog here in my coastal canyon in SoCal, that it loves. Stormy Weather would also be nice, as would Purple Splash (if she likes stripes). All do well in your clime, and none of the three gets any significant mildew. That's a six foot wrought iron fence in this pic of Rhapsody in Blue:

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 12:40PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

I forgot to mention Blue Bayou. It was about 6 feet when I cut it way back a few days ago. Its blooms are a beautiful bluish lavender, but they shrivel in our hot dry summer heat. I'll bet it would do better in your climate. But it is gorgeous in spring and fall for us. Diane

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 2:04PM
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roseseek

I think "seductive" is the word we're all searching for. I know I would be proud as possible to have raised that seedling! Kim

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 12:09AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Do have to agree that the rose is NOT Angel Face, wrong form, wrong color, not enough petals.

No blotch at all in the center so it isn't EFY. BFY is probably the one. Lucky you!!

Kim and everyone, great photos!

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 12:08PM
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roseseek

Lux, Banksiae "Snowflake" is the name the nurseries have applied to plain old Fortuniana. When you find Snowflake at places like Home Depot and Lowe's, you get Fortuniana.

You should also look at Banksiae lutescens, the single yellow Banksiae. Both doubles are flowering and nearing their end here. Lutescens has already flowered and is pushing new flower clusters as it did last year. Not a "repeat", but a continuation of the first flush. It has a scent I can detect which neither double form possesses. When I collect a jar of anthers for pollen, their dried scent is a very strong clove. Kim

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 12:08AM
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sheltiedad

For me, it would be CL Cecil Brunner.
I have a little one at home (aggressively pruned every winter)

A neighbor has one that climbs up their 30+ foot Magnolia Grandiflora. During spring, the whole block smells like heaven.

    Bookmark   April 6, 2013 at 11:08AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I just keep roses mulched with wood chips and use organic granular fertilizer (Dr Earth) and alfalfa meal...
Shredded leaves, etc.
I don't mess with manures anymore...

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 9:01PM
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nastarana(5a)

I quit buying bagged manures when I read they were contaminated with herbicide.

Maybe we will need to replace our lawns with alfalfa or clover or alsike to obtain mulch for our roses.

    Bookmark   April 5, 2013 at 9:25PM
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