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mzstitch(Zone 7b South Carolina)

Welcome to rose gardening, it can be fun, and a bit addictive as you have already showed signs of the latter, lol. My first concern with your post was the comment of lots and lots of shade. Your roses will want lots and lots of sun, at the minimum 6 hours worth so find sunny locations for your new roses. Other than that like others have posted read everything you can on how to plant a rose correctly from the start, that's the most important thing in my opinion. After that, roses are not low maintenance plants but they are so rewarding that their proper care is well worth it. Bookmark this site and read it frequently, I have learned so much here!

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 7:24AM
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intris(6)

"predfern" offered some very good advice. I was going to type something along the same lines. (great minds think alike?)
I read an article the other day that I think you might be interested in. They have some further recommendations for roses hardy in your zone (and some even colder!). The skinny of it is that these roses are distantly descended from the species roses from the North American prairies as opposed to the Tea roses from China.

You might also want to check the local extension office associated with the university and see what roses they think would do well.

Best of luck! We'd love to see the fruit of your labors. :D

Here is a link that might be useful: HMF - Canadian Roses, Eh?

This post was edited by intris on Mon, Apr 1, 13 at 17:51

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 5:49PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

I've got Sparkle & Shine -- really good rose -- go for it. It's a healthy, vigorous bloom machine here.

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 3:09PM
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Terry Crawford

Fuzzles thanks you for your compliments. He came to our home as a 7-month old that someone had dumped, and is now a treasured 3-year old member of our household. I cannot imagine life in the garden without my boy 'helping me'. He makes me laugh, sits up and 'taps' for treats, and keeps vermin out of the roses. He is quite the hunter...all 15 lbs. of boy.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 7:40PM
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rosarama

I once saw a lady walking her dog near my roses. I sweetly told her she had a beautiful dog but to be careful as my yard was full of pesticides that could harm the little beauty. She walked away quickly and has not been back.

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 3:03PM
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peachiekean(z10A CA)

I grow hybrid musks for their ability to withstand half day sun. A good 5x5 is the Jeri Jennings rose which can be found at Rogue Valley Roses. Soft yellow, blooms in clusters, smells nice, disease free and little if any pruning needed. I have mine in the same exposure you require and it's one of my favorites.

Here is a link that might be useful: Jeri Jennings Rose

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 11:11PM
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gardenbug(8b)

Just want to say thank you to everyone for all your help. I went to the nursery and I came home with "Grimm Bros.Fairy Tale

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 2:26PM
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Pamela20621

Thanks so much for all your input! The roses do not have to be knock outs - I was just thinking of them because I have had great luck with them in other areas of my property. They have been super sturdy for me, and shrug off drought summer after summer. I also appreciate that after the Japanese Beetles decimate them in July (I don't use pesticide anywhere,) they come right back for the rest of the season. If you can suggest other roses that are equally rugged, I am all ears. Thank you again for your suggestions!

    Bookmark   March 29, 2013 at 8:17PM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

I think a soft pink is right with the blue of a hydrangea.

    Bookmark   April 1, 2013 at 10:44AM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Steve, your roses all seem to be doing fine, but I did just want to mention that in most climates, and of course especially the dry ones, roses really need to be mulched to be at their best. You may already be doing this but I noticed that the two short roses had bare ground around them. My roses really improved after I began mulching more, and of course with the scarcity of water in many places it's also a bonus that the mulch will keep the roots moist longer.

I had bunches of Glendora at one time since they were so easy to root and agree that this is one tough rose. It probably loved its haircut. Mine tended to get rangy if not pruned enough.

ingrid

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 4:13PM
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deervssteve(9)

All my roses except the three hybrid teas I just planted have been in the ground for 20 years. Before the great deer onslaught of the 90's I had bark down. I have roses particularly climbers all over the yard. But my "rose garden" just went from the two plants I photographed to five. I guess I'll mulch that area to protect the babies.

Between The squirrels an and the elements my drip watering system is toast. I use a lawn type sprayer (not rainbird) and soak the roses once a week. I'ts worked fine.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 10:14PM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

I did a quick Advanced Search on HMF by country and got the most hits when I used "yellow blend" for the color criteria. Of course we don't have photos of all of the roses introduced in Australia, but there was one breeder in the early 1970s that introduced several roses that seem to be very similar to the rose in your photos. His name is George Dawson.

You could look up all of his roses by going to his breeder page on HMF and looking at the PLANTS BRED. It's a start.

Two of his roses that looked similar or had a description the sounded like it might be your rose are:

Great Venture
Olive McKenzie

The Roseville College Rose bred by Ronald J. Bell and introduced in 1990 is another candidate.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 1:23AM
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nastarana(5a)

You might try posting your pix on the Q&A forum at Help Me Find. There are some very knowledgeable Australian rosarians who are frequent posters at HMF who might recognize your rose. .

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 7:55PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Quite a few of my roses are already showing mildew and I have tons of aphids but I'm ignoring the negatives in favor of the positives, which is that quite a few of the roses have begun blooming, many of them the teas. Every day I check each of my about 80 roses as though some miracle could have been wrought overnight, and it's especially exciting with the new roses that I haven't seen bloom before like Devoniensis, Lady Alice Stanley, Duchess of Albany, Chaucer, Pink Rosette, Marjorie Palmer, Pink Soupert, Pink Lafayette and a few others. Almost equally exciting is to see some of the roses from the previous year like Pretty Jessica, Baptiste LaFaye, White Meidiland, Amazone and Bon Silene that hadn't really done much and now look ready to give me at least a few blooms. It's a big thrill every single spring and I don't think that will ever change.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 4:23PM
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t_bred(5)

Good to hear there is hope in sight! I'm still waiting to see what lived and what didn't through the winter- too early to tell.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 5:36PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Sure wish I could!

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 5:18PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Happy Easter All!

For the big croppers that's probably the case but I still like to think there is a niche for the small guys to produce some of these beauties that are a little less vigorous. I hate to think that we would just lose something really good just because it doesn't grow fast enough for the mass producers. Granted John Doe from Anytown might not be interested in it but there are a lot of real rose people who would be and are. That's why so many of us have been known to hunt for years and beg, borrow and steal if we have to to get a variety we've fallen in love with.

I fell in love with Canadian White Star. I hunted for it for several years and finally Hortico had it listed as available. It took me three tries to finally give in to the fact that George Mander was right about his own rose. It isn't very vigorous and is hard to grow and winter successfully. I still wish I could though!

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 2:45PM
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roseseek

Canadian White Star was REALLY expensive ordered directly from Mr. Mander way back when he initially introduced it. Those gorgeous, rose porn photos in the ARS publications were so terribly seductive. But, he was right, it is definitely a cold weather rose. I don't remember how many years I coddled that blamed thing until I replaced it with a rose happy to be where I was, but I did give it my best try. It grew, it was acceptably healthy but it never produced those perfect flowers. And, it had zero scent, really nothing to recommend it for hot gardens. When I think of how much my "rose education" has cost me....Kim

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 3:26PM
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susan9santabarbara

Kitty,

Are you sure you actually have Sharifa Asma? The reason I ask is that it definitely does not have a myrrh fragrance. It has a very strong complex old rose fragrance. I also don't find its petals to be translucent. I have had two of them for many years and your comment about the fragrance made me wonder about what you may have.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 12:18AM
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harmonyp

I have found numerous "special finds" at nurseries that have looked pretty tattered. I found 5 Austins at a nursery that had changed hands a few years ago. The new nursery only carried Weeks, and had these Austins that had never sold from the old nursery that they finally reduced to $12 a piece to move them. It's no wonder they hadn't moved, as they looked pretty terrible. Poor The Mayflower only had about 20 leaves in early fall. It was a stretch to take her home but I figured what the heck as I could tell she was still alive. I picked the best of the 4 Geoff Hamilton's. He was covered in PM, but the 2 little blooms with their super deep cups had such tantalizing form I just had to give him a try. Christopher Marlow had terrible chlorosis. Sharifa Asma and Windermere were better, but still not of the quality of the one you show.

They went into the ground last fall. I did remove all the leaves this winter. This spring they are covered with perfectly heatlhy foliage and look fabulous. I'm so glad I took the chance now. As I watch Mary Rose in her 3rd year just explode with buds, and Princess Alexandra of Kent in her 2nd year giving me the first of her perfect blooms, I'm in heaven.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 7:58AM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

Thanks. I'll do that.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 8:21PM
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harmonyp

Yes, thank you. Wasn't aware that there was already a procedure in place to handle these. Perfect!

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 7:51AM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

I haven't had it but I understand that antifungals are used to treat it. Wikipedia has a symptoms and treatment article. Sounds very curable.

Because we handle compost and also prune hundreds of roses for a fund raiser every year our dermatologist is concerned about MRSA. We double glove and use Mupirocin ointment when we get a thorn puncture or garden related abrasion.

    Bookmark   March 31, 2013 at 12:35AM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

Susan, yes it definitely has some funky canes. I want to prune it, but it will have to wait until after it blooms. However, its not near anything, so I may just leave it as-is and let it do its species thing :)

Tammy

Here's a picture of it (I sooo need to get some mulch delivered!)

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 5:00PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Thanks Tammy. My canes are funkier than yours, I believe. Some of the canes have more curves than a kiddie coaster!
Can't wait to see it green up and bloom. Prickles are very different too.
Susan

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 9:29PM
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seil zone 6b MI

That saucer could be part of the problem. I always remove all saucers from my roses. Yes, the water drains out but then the bottom of the pot and that drainage hole sits in the water. Roses don't like to sit in water.

I really think this doesn't have anything to do with the soil being alkaline. The rose is just unhappy with it's conditions. Roses do not grow well indoors so take it out as soon as possible. Either take the saucer off or fill it full of pebbles so the bottom of the pot is above any water that goes into the tray.

    Bookmark   March 28, 2013 at 6:37PM
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evilscott(USDA=10, Sunset=24)

Roses have/need a dormant period. They will make one on their own when it is time.

    Bookmark   March 30, 2013 at 3:40PM
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