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My previously perfect SdlM did have blackspot a while ago, as did a surprising number of other roses, and it's now affected with mildew, as are quite a few others, including Mutabilis. I'm going to turn my head and pretend it isn't happening and hope the plant straightens itself out. The SdlM on the other side of the house has been affected by neither. Is this what they mean when they talk about the excitement of growing roses?
Personally, I don't spray and if a rose has constant problems or doesn't outgrow them it's history, and I try to find one that is better suited to my conditions.
Ingrid

Posted this last year and it has held true for me, the holes in the cut ends cause me no worries. I suppose in theory you could have a carpenter bee nesting in the cut end and sawfly larvae in the stem itself but they seem to be active at different times. If I recall, the sawfly larvae was much earlier in the season than the carpenter bees.
Here is a link that might be useful: borers

I think I should clarify that the bee tunnels are only 2 inches. I don't think the bees themselves hurt the canes below 2 inches.
But canes which were drilled have dead wood streaking down from the bee hole. It goes 8 to 15 inches down the cane. Think of looking down at a pie, and seeing 3 of the 8 slices are rotten. The other side of the cane (5 slices) are fine. Budding and growing.
It looks girdled. Pruning it out did not turn up any other holes.
Sometimes the dead wood continues into the graft--other times it stops a few inches above.
So far, all pruning of unpruned canes turned up no dead wood.
I have since pruned the pot ghetto and the situation is the same. Any roses which do not have holes in their canes, do not exhibit dead wood. It's consistent. all bored, no unbored.
The bore holes that are the most problematic are the ones which are at the graft--the stump of an old cane which was removed all the way down. The bees have burrowed right into the graft. In several cases the graft looks damaged from freeze --which being holey in winter didnt improve.
So- I do not think the bee bored beyond 2 inches- but for whatever reason, the canes they bored have problems that no other canes have.
So, I plan to prevent further holes in the canes.


I am growing Little Darling from a band and it is doing just great - need to repot. Dont know about fragrance yet. You will adore the color of Fragrant Apricot! I grew it long ago, cant recall about fragrance, but ordered it last fall from Roses Unlimited - it is growing great in a pot and I am about to plant it in the ground. I have Honey Perfume on order - grew that one at another home, its a lovely color that looks wonderful with purple. Just planted a young Livin Easy. It is a luscious shade of orange sherbert, but thorny. Color is wonderful! Angel Face is indeed very fragrant, but needs to be sprayed for blackspot. One of my favorite colors of roses - will probably try another one. I have Julio Iglesais on order - I recall it being very fragrant.


This late snowstorm so many are dealing with is such a pain. We just had an extra cold two weeks after a touch of spring, and everything stopped dead in its' tracks. I remember the lone Edmond's rose I received last year. It looked as you described--not super great, but not the worst. It was quite small, too. I probably wouldn't order from them unless I had to. Hortico did a good job of packing my roses, and they were very moist. I also think things were hung up at the Ag Station because once the roses started traveling, they actually made pretty good time. I'm just so far away. Well, thanks again, Tammy. I look forward to seeing some photos of your new roses. Diane

This must be why Palatine will only ship 3 day air to CA. That's a 50 dollar minimum for me. I want to find a friend to share an order with so we can split the shipping. I do like their plants very much but this year I ordered with Vintage to help them. That was 50 extra dollars I could spend at Vintage instead. But next year I want a Royal Ascot.

@ Jackie
Yep! It was said to have grown in Cagayan River according to Japanese records. Which is why one of its Japanese names is "Kakayan Bara" literally meaning Cagayan Rose. If I ever find myself somewhere near Cagayan, I'm gonna look for these rambling treasures.
It's too bad it doesn't do well in containers. Luckily I live near a river (a dead one but lots of plants grow wildly on its banks.) People here don't mind them much so I bet having R. bracteata grow on its banks would be ok as long as it is maintained. Few people are able to access the river's "banks" mainly because it is flanked by sides of houses so there's no danger of people getting pricked by R. bracteata's prickles.
What I really liked about R. bracteata is it's petals. They look like they have this pearl-like sheen. Are there other roses that have this sheen? Except maybe its hybrids like Mermaid of course. I'd like to breed this sheen to my roses in the future if I get the chance to grow these.

It's not just the sheen in bracteata's petals, it's the white-ness. Mine is more than a tenth of a mile from our house and I can see the blooms shining white against the deep green leaves, even though other whites just don't show up at this distance.

This site by Chapman University has all of Huell Howser's California programs. There are so many good ones but one of my favorites is the year Death Valley got it's hundred year heavy rain and the wildflowers bloomed like a colorful carpet there. There was even a lake which is hard to imagine if you have ever been there. If you ever had a lousy day and came home, you could watch one of his shows and feel better about the world.
Here is a link that might be useful: #125 Springtime in Death Valley
This post was edited by kittymoonbeam on Mon, Mar 25, 13 at 20:24

Well, I dont recall thinking it as thornless the first year. Or this year even. I just realized it when i was pulling hips off of it last week--that It wasnt catching me at all.
I looked it over and found 4, or was it 5?, thorns on the whole bush-- all on one basal branch set. Only a couple were normal thick hooks.
I'll look again tomorrow. I was rushing, maybe i missed more.
Or maybe next year all the branches will be thorny.??
If it indeed only has 4 or 5 thorns- on the whole bush this size- isnt that basically thornless/nearly so?

Just wanted to update that I think this rose must be the Easy Elegance rose" Yellow Submarine" and the very low thorn count is a fluke of the weather which probably won't last.
This rose is the only one I could find with the same BIG hips. And otherwise, it's a pretty close match to the description.
Here is a link that might be useful: Yellow Submarine at HMF



If you're REALLY trying to talk yourself into using a spray rather than a hose -- consider that, if you DO spray, you'll get rid of the RELATIVELY harmless and easily-eradicated aphids. BUT you will open the door to spider mites. Those devils DO damage roses, and they are what's more FAR harder to eradicate.
The more years we are away from spraying, the more ladybugs, birds, and lizards live here. And the fewer aphids. There are probably some here, SOMEWHERE, but not so's you'd notice.
Jeri

If it's not doing well do it now. Fall may be too late and you could lose it. You want to find out what's wrong right away and get it squared away and growing well for the season. Even if it's starting to get hot for you now the rose will still do better if you fix it before the heat makes it suffer more. You can always shade it with something for a while to protect it from high heat.

Since you planted the roses the same way in the same soil conditions, maybe the one that isn't doing well is a dud.
I planted a LRV and it didn't do well so I planted another one in the same hole and it's survived for over 15 years.
At one point I had over 100 bushes. Most of them are gone now and none were dug up.

MAC was hybridized in 1875, which is antique enough for me.
Here is the pic I think kittymoonbeam was talking about - we have three MACs growing 20-30 feet up trees - this is one of them, taken out a window of our house. All of the white roses in the background are from one plant of MAC. I have never pruned it except when branches fall off the trees in storms, which has only happened a couple of times in 20 years. All I can tell you is, unpruned they bloom here in the No SF Bay area 11 months of the year.
Yours is gorgeous! Since it does not appear to have anything to climb on, it is making a huge bush. If it were mine I would just prune it to keep it off any paths or humans walking by.
Jackie


Wow, that's impressive, Jackie! Really lush and beautiful!
Actually, as thick as it is, you can't see that my MAC is climbing up and over a wooden arbor, which I hope is strong enough to last! It's really nice to sit at the table underneath for breakfast or tea. And yes, I do keep her up out of the way of anyone walking by.



How wonderful, a lovely recovery. I've always enjoyed sharing my love and knowledge with others. The other day I offered cuttings to my service rep at at&t. I wish I could do more, but sharing my knowledge always makes mw happy.
So many times people come here for advice and have a sad rose that needs help. This just proves that with some basic care an old rose might just thrive again. It's always worth a try.
I talked with a neighbor whose daughter moved to Colorado (where Dixie bought a house) and said that Dixie is doing well and has a lovely garden. The old neighbors keep in touch with each other. Dixie was always so beautiful. She reminded me of Doris Day and she smiled and laughed and loved bright colors. All her roses in that bed were bold 60s-70s era roses.