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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

This late snowstorm so many are dealing with is such a pain. We just had an extra cold two weeks after a touch of spring, and everything stopped dead in its' tracks. I remember the lone Edmond's rose I received last year. It looked as you described--not super great, but not the worst. It was quite small, too. I probably wouldn't order from them unless I had to. Hortico did a good job of packing my roses, and they were very moist. I also think things were hung up at the Ag Station because once the roses started traveling, they actually made pretty good time. I'm just so far away. Well, thanks again, Tammy. I look forward to seeing some photos of your new roses. Diane

    Bookmark   March 25, 2013 at 8:42PM
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kittymoonbeam

This must be why Palatine will only ship 3 day air to CA. That's a 50 dollar minimum for me. I want to find a friend to share an order with so we can split the shipping. I do like their plants very much but this year I ordered with Vintage to help them. That was 50 extra dollars I could spend at Vintage instead. But next year I want a Royal Ascot.

    Bookmark   March 27, 2013 at 3:23PM
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Ronn Bonites

@ Jackie

Yep! It was said to have grown in Cagayan River according to Japanese records. Which is why one of its Japanese names is "Kakayan Bara" literally meaning Cagayan Rose. If I ever find myself somewhere near Cagayan, I'm gonna look for these rambling treasures.

It's too bad it doesn't do well in containers. Luckily I live near a river (a dead one but lots of plants grow wildly on its banks.) People here don't mind them much so I bet having R. bracteata grow on its banks would be ok as long as it is maintained. Few people are able to access the river's "banks" mainly because it is flanked by sides of houses so there's no danger of people getting pricked by R. bracteata's prickles.

What I really liked about R. bracteata is it's petals. They look like they have this pearl-like sheen. Are there other roses that have this sheen? Except maybe its hybrids like Mermaid of course. I'd like to breed this sheen to my roses in the future if I get the chance to grow these.

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 10:23AM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

It's not just the sheen in bracteata's petals, it's the white-ness. Mine is more than a tenth of a mile from our house and I can see the blooms shining white against the deep green leaves, even though other whites just don't show up at this distance.

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 11:31PM
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kittymoonbeam

This site by Chapman University has all of Huell Howser's California programs. There are so many good ones but one of my favorites is the year Death Valley got it's hundred year heavy rain and the wildflowers bloomed like a colorful carpet there. There was even a lake which is hard to imagine if you have ever been there. If you ever had a lousy day and came home, you could watch one of his shows and feel better about the world.

Here is a link that might be useful: #125 Springtime in Death Valley

This post was edited by kittymoonbeam on Mon, Mar 25, 13 at 20:24

    Bookmark   March 24, 2013 at 8:16PM
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socks

I watched most of it but had to break off before it was over. He was just such a fabulous interviewer. I think we need a Huell Howser rose.

It looked like a lot of his shows were available on that Chapman site.

Thanks, Kitty! Meow!

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 9:20PM
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lucillle

Beautiful bloom and good picture.

    Bookmark   March 25, 2013 at 7:52PM
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rosetom(7 Atl)

Crocus are great!

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 8:47PM
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lola-lemon(5b East WA)

Well, I dont recall thinking it as thornless the first year. Or this year even. I just realized it when i was pulling hips off of it last week--that It wasnt catching me at all.
I looked it over and found 4, or was it 5?, thorns on the whole bush-- all on one basal branch set. Only a couple were normal thick hooks.
I'll look again tomorrow. I was rushing, maybe i missed more.
Or maybe next year all the branches will be thorny.??

If it indeed only has 4 or 5 thorns- on the whole bush this size- isnt that basically thornless/nearly so?

    Bookmark   November 20, 2012 at 3:33AM
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lola-lemon(5b East WA)

Just wanted to update that I think this rose must be the Easy Elegance rose" Yellow Submarine" and the very low thorn count is a fluke of the weather which probably won't last.
This rose is the only one I could find with the same BIG hips. And otherwise, it's a pretty close match to the description.

Here is a link that might be useful: Yellow Submarine at HMF

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 5:38PM
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raingoaway12

I got confirmation of additions to my first order on Monday. I am still wondering if the import roses which they did not sell out of two years ago will be available again this year to purchase.

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 3:46PM
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susan4952(5)

Lots of the import roses are not ready to ship this year. I ordered two years ago and am still waiting. I have only received the email requesting that I not contact them. I know they are swamped.

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 5:25PM
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minflick(9b/7, Boulder Creek, CA)

Multigenerationally pregnant! No fair!!!

    Bookmark   March 25, 2013 at 8:00PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

If you're REALLY trying to talk yourself into using a spray rather than a hose -- consider that, if you DO spray, you'll get rid of the RELATIVELY harmless and easily-eradicated aphids. BUT you will open the door to spider mites. Those devils DO damage roses, and they are what's more FAR harder to eradicate.

The more years we are away from spraying, the more ladybugs, birds, and lizards live here. And the fewer aphids. There are probably some here, SOMEWHERE, but not so's you'd notice.

Jeri

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 3:53PM
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seil zone 6b MI

If it's not doing well do it now. Fall may be too late and you could lose it. You want to find out what's wrong right away and get it squared away and growing well for the season. Even if it's starting to get hot for you now the rose will still do better if you fix it before the heat makes it suffer more. You can always shade it with something for a while to protect it from high heat.

    Bookmark   March 25, 2013 at 6:50PM
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deervssteve(9)

Since you planted the roses the same way in the same soil conditions, maybe the one that isn't doing well is a dud.
I planted a LRV and it didn't do well so I planted another one in the same hole and it's survived for over 15 years.
At one point I had over 100 bushes. Most of them are gone now and none were dug up.

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 3:27PM
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jacqueline9CA

MAC was hybridized in 1875, which is antique enough for me.

Here is the pic I think kittymoonbeam was talking about - we have three MACs growing 20-30 feet up trees - this is one of them, taken out a window of our house. All of the white roses in the background are from one plant of MAC. I have never pruned it except when branches fall off the trees in storms, which has only happened a couple of times in 20 years. All I can tell you is, unpruned they bloom here in the No SF Bay area 11 months of the year.

Yours is gorgeous! Since it does not appear to have anything to climb on, it is making a huge bush. If it were mine I would just prune it to keep it off any paths or humans walking by.

Jackie

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 1:22PM
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debora(10/18 CA)

Wow, that's impressive, Jackie! Really lush and beautiful!

Actually, as thick as it is, you can't see that my MAC is climbing up and over a wooden arbor, which I hope is strong enough to last! It's really nice to sit at the table underneath for breakfast or tea. And yes, I do keep her up out of the way of anyone walking by.

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 2:50PM
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kstrong(10 So Cal)

I say

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 11:38AM
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Campanula UK Z8

mmm, always pricks my suspicious nature when posts of this sort are sent by people who have just joined that very day........

So yep, Kathy, another cynic here, I'm afraid.

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 1:26PM
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eahamel(9a)

If "thornless" is on your list, don't even think about New Dawn.

    Bookmark   February 5, 2013 at 8:02PM
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kris2001(6a - s.e.PA)

Thanks all!

As per Barb_in_DC....I think I will get "Climbing Pinkie".
Where can I get the authentic/best breed of
"Climbing Pinkie"?

Will any of these thornless climbers work?
http://www.davidaustinroses.com/american/Advanced.asp?PageId=2026

Zephy seems too big for a small porch like mine. I have one 12 ft pillar thats all.

Will Annie Laurie McDowell work for me?

If anyone else suggests any that fits my need pls advice!

Thx again:)..Kris

This post was edited by kris2001 on Tue, Mar 26, 13 at 16:59

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 11:39AM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

In what part of the country do you garden? Do you know which rootstock (if any) the roses are/were grafted onto?

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 10:10AM
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intris(6)

My roses are currently putting out tiny leaves. I always thought that it was because it was the first of the season and they needed to get some leaves out before getting the energy to make the larger leaves.
Since you just pruned it, give it some time to get used to the new height?

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 11:22AM
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KillarneyBob

Thanks for the responses everyone. Surprised I didn't figure this out given all the images I can find now! At least now I have a plan of attach. Thanks again!

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 6:09AM
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onederw

The only thing I might add to the diagnosis and treatment outlined by others is to take a look at your adjacent plantings--particularly if there are roses nearby--and make sure that the neighbors aren't likewise affected. All the diligence in the world won't do any good if the rose keeps getting reinfected.

Kay

    Bookmark   March 26, 2013 at 11:07AM
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subk3

Handy until you actually try to use your own hand to measure one! ;-)

    Bookmark   March 25, 2013 at 10:20AM
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kittymoonbeam

You are all so clever!

I learned from a woodworker at a local craftsman's fair that you can use the parts of your hand to measure things accurately. If you bend your fingers, you can use the distance between the knuckles. I can measure an exact inch one one of mine. It's useful because then if I need to know a half inch or a quarter inch, I just take some scrap paper and make a crease at one inch, and then fold it to find the other fractions.

The wood worker was so amazing, he could judge by sight very small increments. He made beautiful arts & crafts/ art noveau furniture from recycled wood with hand carved jointing and inlay.

    Bookmark   March 25, 2013 at 10:51AM
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alameda/zone 8

I just finished planting a bunch of bare roots today that had been soaking for 3 weeks. They look just fine and I am sure they will grow. About the first of December, I got an order that I wasnt expecting, about 12 plants. Due to the hectic holiday season and I had sold 10 horses out of the country and getting the vetwork, transportation, etc. organized took up all my time. I covered the soaking roses when we had freezing temps, but that was literally all the time I had to give them. One sunny day in late January, I potted them up. Was afraid they wouldnt do well and I might lose some. Well, you ought to see them today! They havent missed a beat, they are getting buds, the folliage looks great and I am ready to plant them in the ground. I really dont like doing this.......but sometimes time gets short and it is just impossible to plant when you should. This might be a different matter if it was not dormant season for roses, but noone gets bare root orders in summer anyway. I have only fertilized them twice with a combination of Spray N Gro/Bill's Perfect Fertilizer and they are really thriving! I plan to spray my just planted ones with just the Spray N Gro to give them a boost. Good luck with yours - from what the others have said, they should do fine.
Judith

    Bookmark   March 24, 2013 at 9:40PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

Thanks for this great information. I've always wondered about time underwater vs roots only. Very helpful.
Mary

    Bookmark   March 24, 2013 at 11:07PM
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