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bluegirl_gw

Eahamel, maybe I got the link from you. Certainly from someone here, as that's not my regular forum. Had it bookmarked & found it again the other day. Gardeners are the funniest people--& talented comediennes, too.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 3:33PM
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kittymoonbeam

Harmonyp you are in the same situation I was in. I was told to try them in mostly sand just to prove it was not me, just the soil. And so it was. Same with azaleas. Try it for yourself. I have about a 50% chance of saving them by moving them to better soil. If they are in decomposed organic based soil, they will not survive. Being in the ground in soil that is about 10% organic matter as long as it is acid and fast draining ( preferably with some sand ) with mulch or leaves on top is fine. In pots, they need almost perfect conditions. Potting soils rot too quickly and they begin to decline. If your water makes the mix more alkaline, it happens rather rapidly.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 9:32PM
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lucillle

I recently created a hedge but alternated roses with other plants.
Have you thought ahead as to what your plan will be when they are larger and one might get RRD?

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 6:31PM
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lucillle

sorry, double post

This post was edited by lucille on Mon, Mar 18, 13 at 18:33

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 6:32PM
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jaspermplants

You can't beat Iceberg as a wonderful white rose. Blooms all the time and well, what more can be said about it except it's one of the greats.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 12:27PM
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Molineux(6b)

I understand how you feel. My late father had his favorite rose (Mister Lincoln) and whenever I see a perfectly shaped velvety red bloom I think of him. Do yourself a favor and purchase two of JOHN F. KENNEDY. That way you'll have one for yourself. JFK does produce beautifully formed large blooms that possess a very strong fragrance; something that can't be said for many white Hybrid Teas.

Image of JFK by Jeaneli-5b Nova Scotia at Hortiplex

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 4:53PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Buy 3 bush's of Black Magic and plant then close together (18" apart triangle). A special rose for a special person. If you have a sunny, south facing wall against you're home, that would be great. But wherever you plant them, winter protect them come mid Nov. With good protection you shouldn't have any problems growing this beautiful rose.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 12:00AM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

I'd say go for it with the original Black Magic. I've had a grafted Black Magic in my yard for 5 years, and as long as you bury the graft a few inches it has never had much trouble coming back from the winters here in zone 5 Nebraska. Sometimes I have to prune it fairly low, but it has been a reasonably tough rose here. I do have this one planted in my zone 6 "pocket", and you might choose the south side of your house or another protected area if you want to give it a little more security. You can also do as I do and add some winter protection in its first few years if you feel like it - I place cut up 1/3 of filled leaf bags next to (but not touching) the rose all around AFTER the ground has frozen. This rose in my yard survived before I started doing that, however.

If you're looking for other roses the same color as a backup, Black Lady and LavaGlut are both equally dark and totally hardy in zone 5, though the blooms are a bit smaller (particularly for LavaGlut). Schwarze Madonna is pretty close to Black Magic and it's from a breeder that makes them tough (Kordes). It has grown well for 2 years so far here. Black Baccara is only in its second year so far for me, and it's fairly gangly and leggy, but it has those to-die-for dark blooms. Frances Dubreil/Barcelona is a looser form Hybrid Perpetual, but it has that lovely dark color and a scent to die for, and don't be fooled - it's cane hardy in zone 5. Nigrette is the same lovely dark red and seems to have survived, but it's a fussy pants rose and never gets anywhere close to the 5' that Black Magic will grow.

Among the alternates you mentioned, Deep Secret is one that I've tried 3 times that simply will not overwinter in my yard. Black Pearl might have survived the last winter, but it was a mild winter. Both of those are notably less hardy for me than Black Magic, even though the breeder Delbard is usually hardy for me with most of their roses.

Bottom line suggestion from me is to buy the Black Magic (or several if you have the space) and surprise your wife. It's a lovely sentiment and she'll be thrilled at the surprise, and Black Magic has as good or better chance of thriving in zone 5 as any other HT. Just be sure to prepare your soil well by mixing in organic materials in the area, bury the graft, and water well the first year.

Cynthia

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 3:27PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

In a 25 gal. nursery pot, you can grow just about any rose you want. I have a rose friend in Central Florida that has grown ALL his prize winning HT's in these pots.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 11:38PM
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andreark

Thanks ken-n ga mts. I will try that.

Andreark

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 1:37PM
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kittymoonbeam

I can't wait for my Bolero to get going. Last year was a hint of good things to come. Lola-lemon I think you are right about what a good rose F. Mistral is for a beginner. Maybe I should have chosen that over Memorial Day.

I bought a Firefighter the other day after thinking that this rose takes time to get going and the sooner I plant one, the better... otherwise I get to hear all about it and then I decide I want one and then wait three years for it to make the magic.

Wouldn't you like to be the lucky newbie with any of these great lists of roses? Just add in your favorite colors I left out.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 7:37PM
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jlee160(5 MI)

I also have a lot of newbies, and noid roses- While a couple of the unidentified roses are my favorites- I will stick to named varieties.
R- Ld. Braithwhite
P-Scept'rd Isle-even as a newbie bloomed it's head off
B-Watercolors
y-Julia Child
Wild-Evelyn
L- angel face

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 11:57AM
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dregae

I think the main thing that had me scratching my head was "cut out the old stuff to feed the roots". How would that feed the roots???

Grace e

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 12:07AM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

Me too. I often use hedge trimmers or a chain saw. For the more stubborn roses, I find tying dynamite to the branches works best.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 8:41AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

It's just a baby.

Downside of NOT pruning, only one I can think of would be if a cane is able to injure someone walking by. Safety first!

I don't do a major pruning of climbers every year, only every three years or so, with just a light or moderate clean-up in the off years.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 7:58PM
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catsrose(VA 6)

Climbers, in fact, most classes of roses, need very little pruning, just shaping and removing deadwood. Hybrid Teas are the only roses that require heavy pruning--and even they can live and bloom without it.

    Bookmark   March 18, 2013 at 7:53AM
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floridarosez9

I'm training it on three small arbors that already had Don Juans on them. The DJs aren't spectacular bloomers but were gifts from my children so they aren't going anywhere. Like everyone says, this rose is very thorny, and I'm constantly hefting up runners off the ground and onto the arbors. the canes are so lax, it just sprawls all over until tied up. Having said that, I'm not displeased with it intertwined with the DJs. It had been blooming spectacularly until our last few freezes.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 11:39AM
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northtexasdude(7b)

thanks everyone. I've been using Rosemary, Lavender and other traditional english garden base plants, but was hoping to find a traditional rose that would cover those legs. Kind of like a great big blob of roses against one wall, but I don't want them fighting for water or snuffing each other out.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 3:45PM
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mzstitch(Zone 7b South Carolina)

I too have hard clay soil, which is why my limit is planting four a year. I ordered five this year, but one is going in a pot. I too dig my holes than take a day or two off. We do have a roto-tiller which helps though. To refill, I use my wheelbarrow, mixing my soils in that before dumping them in the hole. As far as drainage goes though, if you dug down deep enough you should be okay. I dig my holes 2 1/2 feet x 2 1/2 feet. I have put a few inches of water in them and sometimes they do see to hold water too long, but I have never had any problems.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 8:30AM
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deervssteve(9)

Since I haven't bought any roses in a long time, Iost track of the bareroot season. Local nuseries say that it is from after Christmas to mid February when the remaining roses are closed out. I waited until the day before St. Patricks day to plant St. Patrick. A month ago the soil was probably a lot wetter. I was getting pretty large orders from Hortico and Pickering and planting 10 roses a day. I struggled to get over 20" depth on these. The ground was rock hard.

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 11:22AM
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peachiekean(z10A CA)

I give my transplants about a year and half to settle in. If it's green that's good! Just keep it watered, especially with the warm weather. I transplanted a rose to a better spot just this winter and then neglected watering enough and so it croaked. Shame on me.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 11:27PM
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danyoni(z10Los Angeles)

Again, thank you everyone for the good advice. It certainly seems like the consensus is that what I am seeing is totally normal. I will miss her blooms, however, in the immediate future. She was NEVER out of bloom and could always be counted on for something to bring inside, even if her blooms didn't last too long in the vase. On the other hand, the place she vacated looks 1000% better. She was almost completely blocking a fully grown sego palm which we are now enjoying again and I have replaced her there with 3 Lady Emma Hamiltons, an Austin that I had fallen in love with last year after purchasing one. Hopefully they will stay close to the 4 feet height that the catalog promises, though in this climate the Austins can be a little too happy. Hope I don't end up having to move them, too, a few years down the line!

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 6:31AM
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idixierose(z8b Coastal SC)

Looks like smilax or chainey briar (what some people in the S.C. call it)

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 8:21PM
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chadec(N.C.7b)

Thanks for your suggestions. I did see a sign for hardy orange, but it was not near this plant. It was actually closer to some quince. Ill do some research now. It was kinda hard to do a image search on my phone. And yes those are very sharp thorns. As bad as some of the terminal spines on my agaves.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 10:18PM
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cedric76

thank you all on your suggestions, it really a lot of help !

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 9:38PM
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idixierose(z8b Coastal SC)

A long water wand with a 2" spray head works OK for spider mite blasting. Those fancier wands with a 5-in-1 spray head works well too. Blast 'em every other day for a week, then follow up once a a week.

Spider mite season may be changing, especially in areas that did not have a cold winter. The last two winters here in lower SC have been very mild, with only a couple of light frosts. I found spider mites on our outdoor roses all through both winter. No rest for a rose gardener!

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 8:47PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

When I got bands showing some mildew, I'd soak them with water in a spray bottle, mixed with a teaspoon each of baking soda and dish soap per quart, just before sundown. Then I'd be sure to rinse them off early in the morning with water from the hose. The mildew was gone in a few days of repeating this, and none of the soapy baking soda residue was left on the foliage by the heat of the day to burn the leaves.

:-)

~Christopher

This post was edited by AquaEyes on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 1:59

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 1:46AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

I wonder if the milk works because it makes a bit of a coating on the leaves- possibly helping them keep water?

Perhaps. Milk contains fat, and perhaps the fat functions like the oil in a Cornell mixture, either coating the leaf or smothering the fungi?

Speaking of coatings, there has been anecdotal comments on anti-transpirants such as 'Cloud Cover' being beneficial for preventing powdery mildew on foliage--it has worked for me on the young plants--after they establish, no further need.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 7:38PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

I look for substantial petals because of the heat here. That leads me to more Kordes roses that don't have much scent. Also scented roses close up make me sneeze. I have some strong ones though-Oklahoma, Firefighter, Mr. Lincoln, Singin' the Blues, Rouge Royale, and Papa Meilland are probably the strongest. I got my first bloom a couple of days ago on my one year old Archduke Charles. Very nice light scent. As I add more OGR's I may be sneezing a lot more. Mary

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 4:11PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

marian--I really like the lush pic of your roses. I'd hate to lose that effect due to a "fragrant only" rule--: )

Your solution is wonderful--plant the lavender at their feet. Voila! fragrance! Love it.

Kate

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 6:55PM
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