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Andrea, the EarthKind folks in Texas have a protocol for planting roses in clay where they till into the topsoil 3" of expanded shale (similar to Turface) and 3" of compost/manure to create a raised bed. They say it works well.

The Turface didnâÂÂt arrive and my raised bed is scheduled to be
Completed today

My new raised bed will contain:
34 cu ft of fill soil (mineral)
4 cu ft of top soil (containing compost)
3 cu ft of EB Stone rose mix
3 cu ft of NavletâÂÂs compost
1.5 cu ft of EB StonâÂÂes aged steer manure

This will be sitting over 8 inches of amended soil which in turn
will be over dark clay.

What do you think?

Thanks for your help,
andrea

Therese Bugnet should thrive for you.

Also received your email. I think you may have confused Hortico with Pickering Nurseries. Hortico is famous for shipping mislabelled plants, not Pickering. Palatine is still the best choice if they have a plant you want. The quality of their bare root roses is outstanding.

Corn Hill is a good nursery in northern New Brunswick. I haven't ordered from them personally because they aren't really setup to ship across the border, but Canadians who have dealt with them have been pleased.

I'd also recommend the botanical garden in Annapolis Royal if you haven't been there.

Here is a link that might be useful: Corn Hill

There is also spray burn. That usually shows up as small dots.

Without knowing where you are, it is hard to judge what is more likely.

Yes, the fineness of the spots sounds like symptoms of mild damage from chlorothalonil fungicide (Daconil), especially on 'Double Delight' and a few other varieties.

bebba1, if you are going to ask questions here, it would really help to say what region of the country you live in. This was an issue in your other thread last week as well.

There are a number of products with Ortho Rose Pride in the name. One is labeled for mites.

"Ortho RosePride Insectm Disease & Mite Control gives systemic protection against aphids, thrips, whiteflies, mites and more for up to 2 weeks. This product can be used on roses, flowers, and ornamental shrubs"

I do not know if it works on this mite.

The most common Rose Pride product is a fungicide (triforine) that would have no effect on mites or RRD.

The stringy, feathery look of the bad growth is typical of RoundUp damage.

I won't presume to advise that in every climate, soil and situation it makes little difference. I will state that in my zones 9 and 10 gardens, the main difference fresh over composted made was temporary chlorosis and some vegetative centers. Both of which rather quickly dissipated. I watered copiously prior to applying the manure. I kept it just under the drip zone (away from the shanks, trunks and crowns of the plants) and over the rest of the entire surface of the beds. I watered copiously afterwards. The drainage was good in most of that garden, with a few spots where the soil was a bit too "loving". With that heat, two to three inches of horse manure, kept regularly moist with overhead, oscillating sprinklers, became a thin layer of earthworm castings like material in three months. There were spots I had to make the original planting holes with a large power auger. After keeping it mulched with horse manure for a summer, I could sink my shovel in to the handle digging holes. Soil which initially resisted water (it rolled right off) became easy to water. It just soaked right in.

I witnessed others attempting to duplicate those efforts along the coast where the temps were many degrees lower and the humidity many percentage points higher. Kept regularly wet, it didn't "digest" as it did in the valley heat. I had no mushrooms or other fungal fruiting bodies. In the "Perma Fog", there were many mushrooms and the manure took months longer to disappear. A much thinner layer performed much better in those conditions. Kim

A frosting of well rotted manure is in my clean up, prune routine. If it is too thick it forms a crust that may keep water and food away from the rose. I try to form a berm so spring rain will wash it into the drip line. It keeps weeds down. Eventually , when broken down, I cover it with decorative bark chips. My roses love this. I do not have a huge BS problem. Next year I plan to mix Dr. earth in the manure application. This sounds so yummy. C :

In the spring, I often get super-healthy looking new canes and shoots growing off the rose bushes--sometimes off a cane, sometimes as a new cane coming out of the soil (I bury by grafts.) This is such a common spring occurrence that I do not get up-tight or nervous about it. Since this super-growth is prominent, I keep a general eye on it--but so far all the super-growth has merely "hardened off" or matured into a big strong cane with more vigor than the earlier canes but the blooms look about the same.

In other words, nothing weird has ever developed from the super-canes.

Kate

Thanks, Kate. That is good to know and I will keep an eye on her ...and the other 80 brats.
And no, Andre , it grows from the center. Today the thorns look more normal, less rubbery, and I see a color change back to normal.
Thanks all.

I have HT roses and am in eastern PA. Haven't had any problems with fungus yet. I keep mine well spaced for ventilation. The only rose bush I have with a fungal problem is an old red rose bush that was here when we bought the house 20+ years ago. Not even sure what it is. But there is a very large forsythia bush planted on the neighbors side of the fence. I don't know if that bush holds a lot of moisture or if its just blocking the air flow. Today I trimmed her forsythia way back and rounded it out for her so hopefully my rose bush will grow better without all of that competition for air and space.

Where abouts in PA are you? I'm right on the Delaware River north of Philly.

....and a lady bub nymph just crawled across my laptop screen. Too funny!

Here's a couple more

Thanks for all your help!

Kristopher

Dr. Huey is much darker and smaller. I just dug up a Dr. Huey that I've had for a few years after the graft died off. Yours does not look like a Dr. Huey to me based on the color and size of the blooms. Dr. Huey is a darker red like a red wine kind of red.

I know that feeling. Plant them and bask in your victory. :)

I know that feeling. I have searched high and low for a few particular roses in the past, and when I found them, felt like dancing... now I hope they do well in my new home in the Maritimes of Canada... Good luck with your new roses ! They continue to be a passion for me, even with the new challenges of this area.

I had rabbits chew our new double Ko's to the ground.
So I put cages around smaller roses now to prevent that from happening until roses get alittle bigger...
Just a thought....

I just used fencing I had laying around...
I have 6 roses out front & 4 roses are smaller ....
I'll let them have space this year to grow a good
root system... Next year I'll add some other types of
plants along with the rose...

like whats ben said they do grow quickly, and do great where ever they are put. here are 2nd year kos i have.

Some leaf cutters , too. What a smorgasbord!

There was 1 season my KO Rainbow was completely skeletonized by Sawfly catterpilars ~ almost overnight!!!

As Jim suggested check the backside of the leaves for the larvae munching the leaves.

Cornell Univ formula is easy & inexpensive to mix spray the underside in early AM or sundown ~ should halt the damages done!!!

Good luck!

Hi Kathleen ~ $40+ is much, too much ~ if you are interested in acquiring very reasonable OSO Easy young plants ~ contact Karl Bapst the Rosenut - ARS Consulting Rosarian in IN via email rosenut@rosenut.com. Google his site as well ~ I got my 10 OSO E babies from him last year.

Now that it has finally cooled down w/ only occasional daytime highs of 90s+ all of them are taking off. Beacause they are still young their stems still tend to arch from the weight of the sprays/clusters of blooms. I particularly favor Mango Salsa ~ so vibrant & festive & as I described quite an enthusiastic performer & compact in form. Honey Bun also is compact & a good bloomer w/ tight clusters but fade quickly!

I'm still wondering about Strawberry C ~ the only one of the cousins, not as good at showing off her stunning beauty ~ hopefully next season she will.

Peachy C's blooms sprays are not as tight as the others especially now that she has stretched out her limbs up to 4ft ~ again I'm sure in time, after the hard pruning come Spring. I also suspect her part/sun exposure may have to do w/ her leggy-ness ~ where as SC is leggy despite being in full/sun.

I'm quite pleased w/ Paprika's growth habit ~ quite compact under full/sun & not at all shy in showing off her perky, simple blooms, tho clusters not as tight as MS or SC & sheds off daily as next buds open up to replace. Can't wait how she'd be next season!

Isn't it fun when the younguns love to be helpers ~ my grand-dau was mine ~ even wished for & helped create a walk around a tree w/ brick tiles when she was merely 3 ~ neighbor kids love hopping around & around singing & playing kiddie band instuments!

FWIW ~ just updating on the 10 OSO Easy in this piece of soil! Spring came quite late this season ~ consequently, so did all the blooming beauties around.

The very first of the now 3rd season pretties are the 3 Paprikas ~ flushed in abundance end of May!

The rest are now just starting. Strawberry C. first few seem paler than last Fall's production ~ however so loaded w/ buds. Will report back once the show is in full swing! Also shaped her wayward stems closer into a decent shape!

Usually our Heirloom repeat blooming roses get blooms about 4 weeks or so after there planted into the ground.
I never grew a climber or once bloomer so have no idea about those types...

Congrats on getting your roses!

wow Jim thats fast! Just 4 weeks? I'll keep my eyes on these for buds! The Polka was the largest of the 3 and has the most stems and leaves. I will be thrilled if these bloom this year.

Rose Rosette was first identified in Florida over a decade ago on Hybrid Musks in Good Wood Gardens up in the panhandle. The ID was by someone in the County Extension service.

Since then we have found that Rosa laevigata (the Cherokee Rose) does get RRD and the closest I've had it reported to Florida is south of Charleston SC (so far.)

henry_kuska,

Thank you!

It turns out my "paranoid supposition" IS scientific after all.

Here is a link that might be useful: Paranoia is phoresy, not fallacy

This post was edited by sandandsun on Sat, Jun 8, 13 at 13:23