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peachiekean(z10A CA)

I give my transplants about a year and half to settle in. If it's green that's good! Just keep it watered, especially with the warm weather. I transplanted a rose to a better spot just this winter and then neglected watering enough and so it croaked. Shame on me.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 11:27PM
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danyoni(z10Los Angeles)

Again, thank you everyone for the good advice. It certainly seems like the consensus is that what I am seeing is totally normal. I will miss her blooms, however, in the immediate future. She was NEVER out of bloom and could always be counted on for something to bring inside, even if her blooms didn't last too long in the vase. On the other hand, the place she vacated looks 1000% better. She was almost completely blocking a fully grown sego palm which we are now enjoying again and I have replaced her there with 3 Lady Emma Hamiltons, an Austin that I had fallen in love with last year after purchasing one. Hopefully they will stay close to the 4 feet height that the catalog promises, though in this climate the Austins can be a little too happy. Hope I don't end up having to move them, too, a few years down the line!

    Bookmark   March 17, 2013 at 6:31AM
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idixierose(z8b Coastal SC)

Looks like smilax or chainey briar (what some people in the S.C. call it)

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 8:21PM
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chadec(N.C.7b)

Thanks for your suggestions. I did see a sign for hardy orange, but it was not near this plant. It was actually closer to some quince. Ill do some research now. It was kinda hard to do a image search on my phone. And yes those are very sharp thorns. As bad as some of the terminal spines on my agaves.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 10:18PM
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cedric76

thank you all on your suggestions, it really a lot of help !

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 9:38PM
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idixierose(z8b Coastal SC)

A long water wand with a 2" spray head works OK for spider mite blasting. Those fancier wands with a 5-in-1 spray head works well too. Blast 'em every other day for a week, then follow up once a a week.

Spider mite season may be changing, especially in areas that did not have a cold winter. The last two winters here in lower SC have been very mild, with only a couple of light frosts. I found spider mites on our outdoor roses all through both winter. No rest for a rose gardener!

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 8:47PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

When I got bands showing some mildew, I'd soak them with water in a spray bottle, mixed with a teaspoon each of baking soda and dish soap per quart, just before sundown. Then I'd be sure to rinse them off early in the morning with water from the hose. The mildew was gone in a few days of repeating this, and none of the soapy baking soda residue was left on the foliage by the heat of the day to burn the leaves.

:-)

~Christopher

This post was edited by AquaEyes on Sat, Mar 16, 13 at 1:59

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 1:46AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

I wonder if the milk works because it makes a bit of a coating on the leaves- possibly helping them keep water?

Perhaps. Milk contains fat, and perhaps the fat functions like the oil in a Cornell mixture, either coating the leaf or smothering the fungi?

Speaking of coatings, there has been anecdotal comments on anti-transpirants such as 'Cloud Cover' being beneficial for preventing powdery mildew on foliage--it has worked for me on the young plants--after they establish, no further need.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 7:38PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

I look for substantial petals because of the heat here. That leads me to more Kordes roses that don't have much scent. Also scented roses close up make me sneeze. I have some strong ones though-Oklahoma, Firefighter, Mr. Lincoln, Singin' the Blues, Rouge Royale, and Papa Meilland are probably the strongest. I got my first bloom a couple of days ago on my one year old Archduke Charles. Very nice light scent. As I add more OGR's I may be sneezing a lot more. Mary

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 4:11PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

marian--I really like the lush pic of your roses. I'd hate to lose that effect due to a "fragrant only" rule--: )

Your solution is wonderful--plant the lavender at their feet. Voila! fragrance! Love it.

Kate

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 6:55PM
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subk3

A very old hand forge mule shoe.

A Tennessee car license plate from the 1920s.

Multiple pieces of broken pottery that found their way over from the from the antebellum house next door.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 8:49PM
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annesfbay(9b Sunset 15)

Fortune cookies in their plastic wrappers--dozens of them. What is up with that?!

Anne

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 1:23PM
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Molineux(6b)

I used to think "green" roses were butt ugly. I especially remember when I grew ST. PATRICK (HT 1986). In the hot and humid summers of Tidewater Virginia it had bright lime green buds that were practically florescent. I shovel pruned him because I couldn't stand the color. However, as I've gotten older I've learned to appreciate green tones, especially when combined with delicate pink. PIERRE DE RONSARD (aka Eden, CL 1985) sometimes has green on the white outer petals. The contrast with the bright watermelon pink inner petals is very beautiful.

Image of Eden by Cactus Joe at Hortiplex

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 3:23PM
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erasmus_gw

That's pretty. I think watermelon rind describes Eden's green tones too. I am interested in St. Patrick and would like to see the green buds. I got Sheila MacQueen last year..it came through the winter ok and is looking healthy.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 8:23AM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Forsythia have been blooming for about 2 weeks. I finally went out and did the start of my spring rose gardening today. It felt good to get going. Got my hands dirty and actually sweated. Put 3 roses in the ground today. Will put 3 more in their home tomorrow. Will also give everything their early spring "kick in the but" liquid fert. plus fish tomorrow, then start my regular feeding on the 1st of April. Can't wait for my first blooms.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 10:04PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

Michael, I think maybe our daffodils have been up closer to three weeks, rather than the one week I initially said. You and I should be really close in terms of spring flowers and such...I bet your forsythia will bloom this coming week.

Its interesting to hear how different parts of the Country are in different stages of Spring. Our bartlett pears (stinky little trees) are also just beginning to open up their flowers. Tulip and iris leaves are about 4 inches high...definitely no buds yet on them. Quince is blooming, but that usually comes at the same time as forsythia anyway.

Tomorrow, I'm planning on getting my 7 roses from Palatine in the ground...crossing fingers that the rain hold off until Sunday!

Tammy

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 11:25PM
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DisplacedClevelander(6a)

Greetings, Lucille!

Not sure that it will be scent overload. Personally, I don't smell much of my mint until I am standing right by it.

But what I am sure of is that you need to keep that mint contained (unless you are going for a field of mint) because it spreads so, so quickly. I would advise you not to plant the mint with your roses.

I've read that basil pairs well as it can act as a pest control-- haven't personally tried this but have read various articles suggesting this.

Good luck with your planning!

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 6:28PM
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seil zone 6b MI

For the most part I've found that my herbs don't really throw off a lot of scent unless you brush them. My herb pots are right next to the roses and I've never had them interfere with the rose scents.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 8:17PM
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SusanBachman(6)

I believe it is illegal to propagate or clone the Knock Out roses because they are registered. It says, âÂÂAsexual propagation without proper authorization is prohibited.â I have done propagation on antique roses. You just need to be careful about registration/copywrite/patent etc.

Here is an article excerpt:
According to the statement from Conard-Pyle, the nursery was in violation of United States Plant Patent Laws that state that no one may asexually propagate or sell any patented plant without the permission of the patent owner.

âÂÂIllegal propagation is a matter that we take very seriously,â said Jacques Ferare, vice president of license for The Conard-Pyle Co. âÂÂAs the introducer of the Knock Out roses, we are committed to ensuring that Knock Out plants are grown only by legitimate growers. This not only protects these legitimate nurseries, it also guarantees that the consumer is getting the real thing and not a knockoff.âÂÂ

ItâÂÂs to ensure the rights of Knock Out brand of roses are being protected, Conard-Pyle is taking legal steps to enforce its trademark and plant patent rights throughout the horticultural industry. Most recently Conard-Pyle has joined forces with other major nurseries in hiring Plant Watch, a well-known monitoring program to help enforce its intellectual property rights.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 3:33PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

But --if it was genuinely a sport, THAT would be legal.

OTOH, if this is not ol' Doc Huey, I would mark that cane, to see if more of the different blooms show up, before I tried to root it. Early in the year, when the weather's changeable, you do sometimes see temporary color shifts, which are not stable sports.

Jeri

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 6:42PM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

They are different roses. A quick look at the lineage of both roses shows that they have different parentages.

'Eden' = ((Danse des Sylphes x Händel) x Pink Wonder, Cl.)

'Eden Romantica' = ((Nikita x Meinecta) x Meiquiza)

'Eden' is classified as a large flowered climber, and 'Eden Romantica' is classified as a floribunda ... actually, it is a florist rose and there has been no documentation that it makes a good garden rose.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 2:36AM
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Prettypetals_GA_7-8

Ok thanks!! Ill just plant that baby see what I get. Lol. Thanks, Judy.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 10:44AM
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ilovemyroses(8 Dallas TX)

could be wrong, but expect container plants. i have never known ARE to ship bare roots, or have them, for that matter. Too, love the rose as well. Saw it in bloom and bought two for prime spots! Enjoy!!

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 9:16AM
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alameda/zone 8

You will be thrilled with your Antique Rose Emporium roses! I live 3 hours from there and am already anticipating bloom season and spending a day there. It is pure paradise - such lovely gardens, healthy roses!

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 11:02PM
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seil zone 6b MI

You could check to make sure that it's planted solid in the ground and not rocking. If there are air pockets it might be having some problems. It could also just be that it's a newer rose and it needs some time to mature. The blooms may be too big for the root ball to sustain adequately. Keep an eye on it and give it some time to settle in and put on some growth and see if it improves.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 7:28PM
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floridarosez9

Is it own-root or grafted? My young own-roots BDs are floppier than the ones on Fortuniana.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 8:18PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Ugh! Those are huge rocks! I wouldn't want to have to dig those out. Hard clay lake bed for me but because our whole subdivision was built on reclaimed lake bed there are an amazing amount of bricks too! I have quite the collection of them around the yard, lol.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 7:19PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

After seeing all of your boulders, I will never complain about my clay soil again! When I moved to TN from Florida (sandy soil...I miss you!) 6 years ago, I hated the clay! It was a drought and terrible to dig in. Since then, its been much wetter and the clay is actually diggable. I have very few large rocks, and the ones we do have can easily be moved with a small hand shovel used for leverage.

I think my worst chore is weeding and mulching. No matter how much mulch I use, those darn weeds just come back stronger and stronger! With about 200 roses in the ground to mulch and weed around, its another full time job!

Tammy

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 8:06PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Christopher, if we weren't nuts we wouldn't be discussing stripping rose leaves! Heh.
Susan

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 6:35PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh no, Christopher, I totally agree with you. That's the best thing about my garden. It's very soothing to be out there working and doing sort of mindless tasks. I get to dream about all kinds of things while doing my chores. The more mundane the better!

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 7:15PM
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