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I used to think "green" roses were butt ugly. I especially remember when I grew ST. PATRICK (HT 1986). In the hot and humid summers of Tidewater Virginia it had bright lime green buds that were practically florescent. I shovel pruned him because I couldn't stand the color. However, as I've gotten older I've learned to appreciate green tones, especially when combined with delicate pink. PIERRE DE RONSARD (aka Eden, CL 1985) sometimes has green on the white outer petals. The contrast with the bright watermelon pink inner petals is very beautiful.
Image of Eden by Cactus Joe at Hortiplex

Forsythia have been blooming for about 2 weeks. I finally went out and did the start of my spring rose gardening today. It felt good to get going. Got my hands dirty and actually sweated. Put 3 roses in the ground today. Will put 3 more in their home tomorrow. Will also give everything their early spring "kick in the but" liquid fert. plus fish tomorrow, then start my regular feeding on the 1st of April. Can't wait for my first blooms.

Michael, I think maybe our daffodils have been up closer to three weeks, rather than the one week I initially said. You and I should be really close in terms of spring flowers and such...I bet your forsythia will bloom this coming week.
Its interesting to hear how different parts of the Country are in different stages of Spring. Our bartlett pears (stinky little trees) are also just beginning to open up their flowers. Tulip and iris leaves are about 4 inches high...definitely no buds yet on them. Quince is blooming, but that usually comes at the same time as forsythia anyway.
Tomorrow, I'm planning on getting my 7 roses from Palatine in the ground...crossing fingers that the rain hold off until Sunday!
Tammy

Greetings, Lucille!
Not sure that it will be scent overload. Personally, I don't smell much of my mint until I am standing right by it.
But what I am sure of is that you need to keep that mint contained (unless you are going for a field of mint) because it spreads so, so quickly. I would advise you not to plant the mint with your roses.
I've read that basil pairs well as it can act as a pest control-- haven't personally tried this but have read various articles suggesting this.
Good luck with your planning!

I believe it is illegal to propagate or clone the Knock Out roses because they are registered. It says, âÂÂAsexual propagation without proper authorization is prohibited.â I have done propagation on antique roses. You just need to be careful about registration/copywrite/patent etc.
Here is an article excerpt:
According to the statement from Conard-Pyle, the nursery was in violation of United States Plant Patent Laws that state that no one may asexually propagate or sell any patented plant without the permission of the patent owner.
âÂÂIllegal propagation is a matter that we take very seriously,â said Jacques Ferare, vice president of license for The Conard-Pyle Co. âÂÂAs the introducer of the Knock Out roses, we are committed to ensuring that Knock Out plants are grown only by legitimate growers. This not only protects these legitimate nurseries, it also guarantees that the consumer is getting the real thing and not a knockoff.âÂÂ
ItâÂÂs to ensure the rights of Knock Out brand of roses are being protected, Conard-Pyle is taking legal steps to enforce its trademark and plant patent rights throughout the horticultural industry. Most recently Conard-Pyle has joined forces with other major nurseries in hiring Plant Watch, a well-known monitoring program to help enforce its intellectual property rights.

But --if it was genuinely a sport, THAT would be legal.
OTOH, if this is not ol' Doc Huey, I would mark that cane, to see if more of the different blooms show up, before I tried to root it. Early in the year, when the weather's changeable, you do sometimes see temporary color shifts, which are not stable sports.
Jeri

They are different roses. A quick look at the lineage of both roses shows that they have different parentages.
'Eden' = ((Danse des Sylphes x Händel) x Pink Wonder, Cl.)
'Eden Romantica' = ((Nikita x Meinecta) x Meiquiza)
'Eden' is classified as a large flowered climber, and 'Eden Romantica' is classified as a floribunda ... actually, it is a florist rose and there has been no documentation that it makes a good garden rose.
Smiles,
Lyn


You could check to make sure that it's planted solid in the ground and not rocking. If there are air pockets it might be having some problems. It could also just be that it's a newer rose and it needs some time to mature. The blooms may be too big for the root ball to sustain adequately. Keep an eye on it and give it some time to settle in and put on some growth and see if it improves.

Ugh! Those are huge rocks! I wouldn't want to have to dig those out. Hard clay lake bed for me but because our whole subdivision was built on reclaimed lake bed there are an amazing amount of bricks too! I have quite the collection of them around the yard, lol.

After seeing all of your boulders, I will never complain about my clay soil again! When I moved to TN from Florida (sandy soil...I miss you!) 6 years ago, I hated the clay! It was a drought and terrible to dig in. Since then, its been much wetter and the clay is actually diggable. I have very few large rocks, and the ones we do have can easily be moved with a small hand shovel used for leverage.
I think my worst chore is weeding and mulching. No matter how much mulch I use, those darn weeds just come back stronger and stronger! With about 200 roses in the ground to mulch and weed around, its another full time job!
Tammy


Oh no, Christopher, I totally agree with you. That's the best thing about my garden. It's very soothing to be out there working and doing sort of mindless tasks. I get to dream about all kinds of things while doing my chores. The more mundane the better!

I agree with the other comments on considering Distant Drums! An amazing rose...with interesting changing colors.
I just got a Thornbird last summer, now I want to plant it next to my DD :D
Here's my DD last year...first bloom just peaking open...

And the same bloom fully opened 24 hours later...

Cheers!
~Anika
Here is a link that might be useful: GothicLibrarian.net

A Shropshire Lad did not make it through the first winter. Brother Cadfael is the ball king. Gentle Hermione smells bad. Abraham Darby doesn't bloom very much. I would recommend Evelyn, Sharifa Asma, Gertrude Jekyll, Charlotte, Crown Princess Margareta, Mary Rose, and Tradescant

I love my Sharifa Asma, Glamis Castle, Jude the Obscure and Eglantyne. They do well here no spray but as for hardiness, I'm much warmer. I chose these based on scent.
They seem to blow really quickly though in the heat and don't do well for cutting.
I know there are other Austins that do.
I ordered two Cymbaline in little bands. I'm looking forward to watching them grow.
If you don't have the Austin catalog, request it. There are rose recs for climates, placement, uses, etc. It is great eye candy and full of great inspiration.
Susan





I look for substantial petals because of the heat here. That leads me to more Kordes roses that don't have much scent. Also scented roses close up make me sneeze. I have some strong ones though-Oklahoma, Firefighter, Mr. Lincoln, Singin' the Blues, Rouge Royale, and Papa Meilland are probably the strongest. I got my first bloom a couple of days ago on my one year old Archduke Charles. Very nice light scent. As I add more OGR's I may be sneezing a lot more. Mary
marian--I really like the lush pic of your roses. I'd hate to lose that effect due to a "fragrant only" rule--: )
Your solution is wonderful--plant the lavender at their feet. Voila! fragrance! Love it.
Kate