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DisplacedClevelander(6a)

Greetings, Lucille!

Not sure that it will be scent overload. Personally, I don't smell much of my mint until I am standing right by it.

But what I am sure of is that you need to keep that mint contained (unless you are going for a field of mint) because it spreads so, so quickly. I would advise you not to plant the mint with your roses.

I've read that basil pairs well as it can act as a pest control-- haven't personally tried this but have read various articles suggesting this.

Good luck with your planning!

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 6:28PM
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seil zone 6b MI

For the most part I've found that my herbs don't really throw off a lot of scent unless you brush them. My herb pots are right next to the roses and I've never had them interfere with the rose scents.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 8:17PM
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SusanBachman(6)

I believe it is illegal to propagate or clone the Knock Out roses because they are registered. It says, âÂÂAsexual propagation without proper authorization is prohibited.â I have done propagation on antique roses. You just need to be careful about registration/copywrite/patent etc.

Here is an article excerpt:
According to the statement from Conard-Pyle, the nursery was in violation of United States Plant Patent Laws that state that no one may asexually propagate or sell any patented plant without the permission of the patent owner.

âÂÂIllegal propagation is a matter that we take very seriously,â said Jacques Ferare, vice president of license for The Conard-Pyle Co. âÂÂAs the introducer of the Knock Out roses, we are committed to ensuring that Knock Out plants are grown only by legitimate growers. This not only protects these legitimate nurseries, it also guarantees that the consumer is getting the real thing and not a knockoff.âÂÂ

ItâÂÂs to ensure the rights of Knock Out brand of roses are being protected, Conard-Pyle is taking legal steps to enforce its trademark and plant patent rights throughout the horticultural industry. Most recently Conard-Pyle has joined forces with other major nurseries in hiring Plant Watch, a well-known monitoring program to help enforce its intellectual property rights.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 3:33PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

But --if it was genuinely a sport, THAT would be legal.

OTOH, if this is not ol' Doc Huey, I would mark that cane, to see if more of the different blooms show up, before I tried to root it. Early in the year, when the weather's changeable, you do sometimes see temporary color shifts, which are not stable sports.

Jeri

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 6:42PM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

They are different roses. A quick look at the lineage of both roses shows that they have different parentages.

'Eden' = ((Danse des Sylphes x Händel) x Pink Wonder, Cl.)

'Eden Romantica' = ((Nikita x Meinecta) x Meiquiza)

'Eden' is classified as a large flowered climber, and 'Eden Romantica' is classified as a floribunda ... actually, it is a florist rose and there has been no documentation that it makes a good garden rose.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 2:36AM
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Prettypetals_GA_7-8

Ok thanks!! Ill just plant that baby see what I get. Lol. Thanks, Judy.

    Bookmark   March 15, 2013 at 10:44AM
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ilovemyroses(8 Dallas TX)

could be wrong, but expect container plants. i have never known ARE to ship bare roots, or have them, for that matter. Too, love the rose as well. Saw it in bloom and bought two for prime spots! Enjoy!!

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 9:16AM
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alameda/zone 8

You will be thrilled with your Antique Rose Emporium roses! I live 3 hours from there and am already anticipating bloom season and spending a day there. It is pure paradise - such lovely gardens, healthy roses!

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 11:02PM
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seil zone 6b MI

You could check to make sure that it's planted solid in the ground and not rocking. If there are air pockets it might be having some problems. It could also just be that it's a newer rose and it needs some time to mature. The blooms may be too big for the root ball to sustain adequately. Keep an eye on it and give it some time to settle in and put on some growth and see if it improves.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 7:28PM
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floridarosez9

Is it own-root or grafted? My young own-roots BDs are floppier than the ones on Fortuniana.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 8:18PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Ugh! Those are huge rocks! I wouldn't want to have to dig those out. Hard clay lake bed for me but because our whole subdivision was built on reclaimed lake bed there are an amazing amount of bricks too! I have quite the collection of them around the yard, lol.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 7:19PM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

After seeing all of your boulders, I will never complain about my clay soil again! When I moved to TN from Florida (sandy soil...I miss you!) 6 years ago, I hated the clay! It was a drought and terrible to dig in. Since then, its been much wetter and the clay is actually diggable. I have very few large rocks, and the ones we do have can easily be moved with a small hand shovel used for leverage.

I think my worst chore is weeding and mulching. No matter how much mulch I use, those darn weeds just come back stronger and stronger! With about 200 roses in the ground to mulch and weed around, its another full time job!

Tammy

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 8:06PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Christopher, if we weren't nuts we wouldn't be discussing stripping rose leaves! Heh.
Susan

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 6:35PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh no, Christopher, I totally agree with you. That's the best thing about my garden. It's very soothing to be out there working and doing sort of mindless tasks. I get to dream about all kinds of things while doing my chores. The more mundane the better!

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 7:15PM
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gothiclibrarian(5b)

I agree with the other comments on considering Distant Drums! An amazing rose...with interesting changing colors.

I just got a Thornbird last summer, now I want to plant it next to my DD :D

Here's my DD last year...first bloom just peaking open...

And the same bloom fully opened 24 hours later...

Cheers!
~Anika

Here is a link that might be useful: GothicLibrarian.net

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 3:18PM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

YUM! Gorgeous. I guess I'm going to have to get Thornbird! Do they bloom together.
Susan

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 6:30PM
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predfern(z5 Chicago)

A Shropshire Lad did not make it through the first winter. Brother Cadfael is the ball king. Gentle Hermione smells bad. Abraham Darby doesn't bloom very much. I would recommend Evelyn, Sharifa Asma, Gertrude Jekyll, Charlotte, Crown Princess Margareta, Mary Rose, and Tradescant

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 12:31AM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

I love my Sharifa Asma, Glamis Castle, Jude the Obscure and Eglantyne. They do well here no spray but as for hardiness, I'm much warmer. I chose these based on scent.
They seem to blow really quickly though in the heat and don't do well for cutting.
I know there are other Austins that do.
I ordered two Cymbaline in little bands. I'm looking forward to watching them grow.
If you don't have the Austin catalog, request it. There are rose recs for climates, placement, uses, etc. It is great eye candy and full of great inspiration.
Susan

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 6:28PM
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evilscott(USDA=10, Sunset=24)

Phosphorous.

Too much nitrogen will tell the plant to grow stems and leaves at the expense of flowers.

Ground rock phosphate is a good choice. But roses also like all the nutrients, including the micro.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 11:36AM
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campv

Fish emulsion is the kick in the pants for me. Every year some one wants to take pictures of my roses and I am known as the rose lady on the hill(per the neighbors ref.) But then I live in a desert area, so any flowers are treat.

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 11:46AM
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lesmc

So happy to hear this. My order will come the first of April. It had been years since I ordered from Regans, so this is nice to hear. I love my Peter Mayle...you will too! Lesley

    Bookmark   March 14, 2013 at 9:36AM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

Or... you might think of getting an invisible fence with collars for the dogs. My neighbor says they work very well.

My deer fence has been held up for years by wishful thinking. So far, no matter how big their racks are, none of the deer have toppled the thing over. They don't jump it because from their side, it doesn't look like their is a place for them to land. Lucky me.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 10:43PM
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catspa_NoCA_Z9_Sunset14

Lyn, Same story here: if the deer cannot see where they are going to land or if the other side looks too steep for them to land, they do not jump. Six-foot fences have worked here for 10 years for both reasons (previously, deer damage was outrageous).
~ Debbie

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 11:10PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Kim, Black Bacarra is just the sort of rose I no longer grow.

Give me "Grandmother's Hat" any day -- or 'Niles Cochet' -- or 'Mme. Berkeley' -- roses that will just grow and bloom, and not make unreasonable demands upon my aching knees.

:-)

AND, you ARE welcome, Scott!

Jeri

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 7:47PM
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kittymoonbeam

Something you can do for them is to find some free aged horse manure and put that down and then cover that with a layer of mulch to preserve water in the soil. If the roses had diseases last year, covering the soil will also help them stay healthier. Every year that you do this will improve the soil that much more. You will need to add more mulch in summer because it breaks down so fast but that's a good thing too because it is making food for the roses.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 9:48PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Your best resource would be the San Diego Rose Society. They are a society with active participation, and good consulting rosarians from all over the County.

(And no. I'm not a member, but I know a good rose society when I see one.) :-)

Jeri in Coastal Ventura County

Here is a link that might be useful: San Diego Rose Society

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 5:30PM
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evilscott(USDA=10, Sunset=24)

Thanks Jeri, great advice!

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 7:34PM
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intris(6)

Thanks for the encouragement Seil. They are currently out of their bags and soaking in water. Here is a photo of the jubilee celebration (the bucket next to it has some bare roots I got from lowe's).

I see we live in the same zone (6b). When do you think is a good time to plant the bushes? I was planting them in containers to hold them over until it was "safe."

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 5:32PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Those look fine. The canes are good and green and not wrinkled. Just prune off anything that's damaged or unhealthy looking.

I don't know exactly where you are but it's too soon to plant here. The ground is still frozen. A rule of thumb would be to plant when the forsythia bloom in your area. That usually means the soil has thawed and warmed to a sufficient temperature for growth to happen. For me that's usually mid-April weather permitting. Although lately the weather has that all screwed up, lol.

Yes, you can pot them temporarily. If you have a garage keep them there. If you have to keep them inside put them under lights if you can. Any fluorescent light will do. Either way keep a close watch on watering. You do not want them to dry out. Pot them with good potting soil in pots that have good drainage. I wouldn't suggest fertilizer until they are planted. You don't want them putting on a ton of new growth until you can get them outside.

    Bookmark   March 13, 2013 at 6:29PM
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