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TNY78(7a-East TN)

I just did a walk around my yard today (it was in the 60's!!! yeah!!!) and mine are looking a lot like yours :) Very excited to see some nice new leaves forming. We "should" be over the worst of winter down here, so hopefully we'll continue down this spring path!

On a funny note, I checked out my 1g pots that are on the front porch in a protected area, and there was one that seems to be crawling off the front porch...a cane about 3 feet long has escaped into the bed in front of the porch...the rose: Ralph's Creeper!! LOL Never saw a rose so perfectly named!

Tammy

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 11:00PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Lol, an escappe, Tammy! Better plant that one where there's lots of room.

    Bookmark   March 12, 2013 at 12:08AM
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kitty(SoCal 9A)

I have successfully moved roses that were grafted or budded onto Fortuniana many times. Move them in cool weather, never in mid-summer or hot temperatures. Like Ken said, dig a big hole, make sure to get most of the rootball when you dig it up, water well, and don't fertilize for at least 6 weeks. I also trim them at that time, as a larger bush will be more stressed out. If they have been in the ground for more than 3 years, it will be a bit riskier. Your Papa Meilland that has only been in the ground for a year should do fine.

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 10:09PM
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Tuggy3(9b NorCal)

Thanks Kitty. It's still small but healthy. I realized I had misplaced it after the trees leafed out last year. Glad to know it's doable. Mary

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 10:44PM
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kittymoonbeam

harryshoe I think you have a best of the best list there. The only one I ever gave away off that list was New Zealand. It never had any fragrance for me. I planted PJPII which has a good life as a cut rose.

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 5:11PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Well, as long as we're in the enabling spirit, I have a word of encouragement back to StrawberryHill who said Francis D wasn't hardy in zone 5. On the contrary, there was a discussion a while back in the antique forum that HMF had underrated the hardiness of this rose. In my zone 5 Nebraska yard, Francis D is consistently cane hardy and laughs off even years when we have a "real" winter.

Translation, Strawbs - you NEED Francis in your yard. He's calling to you...deep luxurious dark red...fragrance to die for...and yes, totally hardy in your zone.

Now I gotta go get me another FIrefighter to replace the one that was a weak plant to start with. Shameless, all of you!

Cynthia

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 7:48PM
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kittymoonbeam

Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you wanted something bigger back behind them to fill the space visually. I vote for a med. sized French Lace.

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 8:57AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

If black spot isn't a problem, how about Angel Face? I'm afraid in your warm climate Julia Child might get too big for your space. I love that rose, but I have one that is 5 feet tall, and one than is 6 feet. They are both chubby, too. Great rounded shape, but quite substantial. Diane

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 6:31PM
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bigtruckerdave(7 NC)

Thanks, Henry. I followed the link and learned that Trichoderma is a fungus and then I went to Rosemania's website ( where I purchase most of my chenicals). Plant Success contains Trichoderma so I may purchase a bunch of the stuff and give it a try this year. I've been drenching every year with Actinovate SP because it is a bacteria and thus won't be affected by the large quantities of fungicides that I spray . The roses really seem to like the Actinovate but I'll give the Plant Success a try. Thanks again for the info.

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 5:09PM
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kittymoonbeam

Someone a few years ago said that if you can cut off the half of the root mass with the galls and separate the canes/roots that don't you can soak the gall free part in some bleach water and replant in sterilized potting mix. I did that in 2 cases and so far no galls have returned. But these were on roots not canes. I have replaced soil in two spots and have not seen it return. I replanted with potted roses that I was super careful with when I slid them out of the pots and surrounding them was a big moat of fresh soil.

Be very careful when pruning down low and sterilize tools.

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 4:57PM
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intris(6)

They look like happy and healthy knock out roses to me. You could fertilize them with rose food if you wish, just follow the instructions on the back. Cut off spent blooms to encourage repeat blooming.

Make sure you read up on Rose Rosette Disease.

Here is a link that might be useful: Rose rosette

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 2:26PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I agree, they look like Knock Outs. They should be easy to care for. Sun, water and fertilizer and you can prune them to keep them in the shape and size you want. They're not too fussy. They look very healthy so you shouldn't have any problems.

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 4:10PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

The light yellow rose Elina would go OK with the bright red of Olympiad. Elina is a vigorous, free blooming hybrid tea with above-average resistance to blackspot.

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 10:37AM
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Jim_in_AV

I usually plant my reds between a white and a pink. How about John Paul II, Full Sail or Sugar Moon for a white and/or Royal Highness, Francis Meilland or The McCartney Rose for a pink. All nicely fragrant, too. I live in the desert so blackspot is not much of a problem here. I think you'd be happy with any of the above.

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 10:56AM
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jacqueline9CA

Thanks

    Bookmark   March 9, 2013 at 12:25PM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

I am very, very glad that I stopped using chemical insecticide spray. I used to use a systemic called Confidor; it certainly did get rid of the aphids. But every year, "paradoxically",my roses seemed to look WORSE-flowers more chewed up, and the problem with beetles got worse every year (here in Italy we have these disgusting Oxythyrea funesta. They come out right at the roses main flush, and eat up the flowers,though at least they leave the leaves alone.)Though you only spray once a season with a systemic, I still felt scared when I did it, and wore a heavy-duty paint spray filter mask, etc.
About three years ago, I had an oncological problem. I don't know if the two things were connected or not.
I stopped using the chemical and tried Neem oil. It seemed to me to be every bit as effective as the chemical.
Now, however, I've decided to completely stop spraying against insects (though I still do use a copper/sulphur spray against fungus).I learned from the people at Bierkreek that ,for example, if you get rid of the aphids, you wind up encouraging the thrip population (I think this was happening in my garden), and thrips do ruin the flowers. What harm , really, do aphids actually do? It is said that they "spread diseases", but what diseases, exactly, I wonder? As for the beetles, no spray is effective against them really at all. I have adapted a trapping/ screening-them- out approach now, which seems to be working much better than the futile attempts at spraying did. This has been my experience. regards, bart

    Bookmark   March 11, 2013 at 4:17AM
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TNY78(7a-East TN)

I used to purchase from Wells Mid South Roses, operated and owned by Verlie Wells (breeder of many mini's and mini-floras such as Memphis Cajun and Angelica Renae). I believe For Love of Roses bought the rights and assets to everything Wells Mid South had owned, and has in turn added quite a variety to the website. I haven't bought from For Love of Roses yet, but Wells Mid South used to have really nice plants and great prices!

Tammy

Here is a link that might be useful: For Love of Roses / Wells Mid South Roses

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 11:08PM
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sherryocala

Roserich, I concur with Jeri - sort of. Duchesse d'Auerstadt basically self-pruned canes that hung downward, but Bow Bells did fine when I looped her canes last year in bigger loops than yours. I guess pegging the canes increased her bloom some since she didn't just bloom at the top, but mainly it brought all those tall canes down into a nicer bush look.

I think a more productive and attractive way for your Peace would be to tie the canes out in a fan shape either on a trellis or individual stakes. Then you won't suffer cane dieback and you'll have more blooms. Assuming the BS doesn't kill her and she just stays naked, I would grow a clematis on her. They're nice and leafy, and as long as you don't get a real huge one (stay in the 6' to 8' range, it shouldn't overpower the rose. If you have other roses close beside her maybe the fanning arrangement can be accomplished behind the other roses. Getting Peace's canes running horizontally or at 45 degrees will be much better, I think. Let Twisted Peace be untwisted.

Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 11:48AM
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poorbutroserich(Nashville 7a)

Thanks. I can't fan them out due to current construction. Also, as a once bloomer she'll be moved in the autumn. I will set her free in a couple of months. I will post a blooming photo.
Tried to salvage the containers but I had ID based on master list keyed to location. SO what survives will be mystery seedlings!
Susan

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 10:36PM
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harmonyp

Fingers crossed for SDLM for me too. Wouldn't have thought about her if not for this (and the Antique) forum. She's in a pot in my front yard growing up enough to be put out with the big girls and guys. VERY high hopes on this one.

    Bookmark   March 9, 2013 at 1:00AM
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Campanula UK Z8

Course I have.
Being jaded and cynical, I have some immunity from catalogue pics and growers promises....but have been helpless against the rose reviewers here....Jeri and Kim had a joint effort with Dawn Crest....and pointed me in the direction of Bierkreek nursery. Then there were many ecstatic mentions of Darlow's Enigma and a request for good foliage led me to Ghislaine De Feligonde. Mr.Bluebird (think that is one of Ingrid's). I could go on (Jacqueline Humery, Aimee Vibert, R.soulieana.........even an Iceberg revival)
Conversely, I have been warned about miffs and duffers (although I have been more reticent to act on the suggestions, probably because the orders were already in and hope rules eternal) - For sure, I was warned about Jacqueline Du Pre (ignored).

    Bookmark   March 10, 2013 at 4:43PM
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Mendocino_Rose(z8 N CA.)

Another interesting climber thing that I learned is that if you take a cutting from a lateral on a climber that rose might not climb.

    Bookmark   March 8, 2013 at 7:08PM
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bethnorcal9

Another thing about climbers that I've found is... Climbing sports of bush roses generally do not repeat bloom as well as the bush form. They apparently spend more time trying to climb, taking energy away from blooming. That's why I only use climbers that are just climbers.

And Campanula, it's funny you mentioned the thing about the passion flower vines. I used to have one, and everybody at my work wanted cuttings. I always remember one of the girls telling me how when she took it home, she had the cutting in a little plastic container of water on her dashboard. It was a fairly long piece of stem I gave her, and one of the tendrils had reached up and grabbed her passenger-side visor and was happily hanging on til she got home. I always thought that was so funny.

    Bookmark   March 9, 2013 at 11:21AM
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windeaux

What I find most outrageous -- in fact unpardonable -- about the ebay bloom is that its creator has succeeded in producing what heretofore would have been beyond comprehension: A ROSE that is actually in bad taste.

Here in the South, the pronouncement that something (or someone) is "tacky" is the ultimate putdown -- a deadly indictment of one's taste. The tackiness of that multi-dayglo-colored monstrosity is eclipsed only by the tackiness of the human unit who produced it, and the units (if there are any) who squander good money to acquire it.

Mgleason56: Abt 3 years ago, you posted on the HMF ''comments" page for the HT 'Magic Lantern' that you were going to supply rooted cuttings of that rose to Roses Unlimited. Pat Henry at RU has stated to me that she has not received any ML plant material. Do you still intend to provide those cuttings?

The ML plant in my garden that provided the dozen+ cuttings I shipped to you several years ago is not recovering very rapidly from hurricane damage it suffered several seasons ago -- otherwise, I wouldn't trouble you, & would gladly ship cuttings to RU myself.

    Bookmark   March 6, 2013 at 5:53PM
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nastarana(5a)

Mgleason56, If memory serves, you might be the gardenwebber who purchased 'New Orleans' on Ebay.

Please, do tell, how did that work out? Was the bodybagged rose really a Peace sport which had been thought to be extinct. Please, enquiring rose fools want to know.

    Bookmark   March 9, 2013 at 9:37AM
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jacqueline9CA

If you go to "Forums", and scroll down the list on the left, you will find one called "House Plants:.

Jackie

    Bookmark   March 8, 2013 at 10:02PM
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roseseek

If you click on the "Forums" tab at the upper left, then "garden forums" it will take you down to where you'll find the various ones. Here is the link to the houseplant one. Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Houseplant Forum

    Bookmark   March 8, 2013 at 10:31PM
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