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Roserich, I concur with Jeri - sort of. Duchesse d'Auerstadt basically self-pruned canes that hung downward, but Bow Bells did fine when I looped her canes last year in bigger loops than yours. I guess pegging the canes increased her bloom some since she didn't just bloom at the top, but mainly it brought all those tall canes down into a nicer bush look.
I think a more productive and attractive way for your Peace would be to tie the canes out in a fan shape either on a trellis or individual stakes. Then you won't suffer cane dieback and you'll have more blooms. Assuming the BS doesn't kill her and she just stays naked, I would grow a clematis on her. They're nice and leafy, and as long as you don't get a real huge one (stay in the 6' to 8' range, it shouldn't overpower the rose. If you have other roses close beside her maybe the fanning arrangement can be accomplished behind the other roses. Getting Peace's canes running horizontally or at 45 degrees will be much better, I think. Let Twisted Peace be untwisted.
Sherry
Here is a link that might be useful: If only sweat were irrigation...

Thanks. I can't fan them out due to current construction. Also, as a once bloomer she'll be moved in the autumn. I will set her free in a couple of months. I will post a blooming photo.
Tried to salvage the containers but I had ID based on master list keyed to location. SO what survives will be mystery seedlings!
Susan


Course I have.
Being jaded and cynical, I have some immunity from catalogue pics and growers promises....but have been helpless against the rose reviewers here....Jeri and Kim had a joint effort with Dawn Crest....and pointed me in the direction of Bierkreek nursery. Then there were many ecstatic mentions of Darlow's Enigma and a request for good foliage led me to Ghislaine De Feligonde. Mr.Bluebird (think that is one of Ingrid's). I could go on (Jacqueline Humery, Aimee Vibert, R.soulieana.........even an Iceberg revival)
Conversely, I have been warned about miffs and duffers (although I have been more reticent to act on the suggestions, probably because the orders were already in and hope rules eternal) - For sure, I was warned about Jacqueline Du Pre (ignored).


Another thing about climbers that I've found is... Climbing sports of bush roses generally do not repeat bloom as well as the bush form. They apparently spend more time trying to climb, taking energy away from blooming. That's why I only use climbers that are just climbers.
And Campanula, it's funny you mentioned the thing about the passion flower vines. I used to have one, and everybody at my work wanted cuttings. I always remember one of the girls telling me how when she took it home, she had the cutting in a little plastic container of water on her dashboard. It was a fairly long piece of stem I gave her, and one of the tendrils had reached up and grabbed her passenger-side visor and was happily hanging on til she got home. I always thought that was so funny.

What I find most outrageous -- in fact unpardonable -- about the ebay bloom is that its creator has succeeded in producing what heretofore would have been beyond comprehension: A ROSE that is actually in bad taste.
Here in the South, the pronouncement that something (or someone) is "tacky" is the ultimate putdown -- a deadly indictment of one's taste. The tackiness of that multi-dayglo-colored monstrosity is eclipsed only by the tackiness of the human unit who produced it, and the units (if there are any) who squander good money to acquire it.
Mgleason56: Abt 3 years ago, you posted on the HMF ''comments" page for the HT 'Magic Lantern' that you were going to supply rooted cuttings of that rose to Roses Unlimited. Pat Henry at RU has stated to me that she has not received any ML plant material. Do you still intend to provide those cuttings?
The ML plant in my garden that provided the dozen+ cuttings I shipped to you several years ago is not recovering very rapidly from hurricane damage it suffered several seasons ago -- otherwise, I wouldn't trouble you, & would gladly ship cuttings to RU myself.

Mgleason56, If memory serves, you might be the gardenwebber who purchased 'New Orleans' on Ebay.
Please, do tell, how did that work out? Was the bodybagged rose really a Peace sport which had been thought to be extinct. Please, enquiring rose fools want to know.


If you click on the "Forums" tab at the upper left, then "garden forums" it will take you down to where you'll find the various ones. Here is the link to the houseplant one. Kim
Here is a link that might be useful: Houseplant Forum

Roses Unlimited has it listed; I don't know about availability. Here's the link for the page. Good luck!
John
Here is a link that might be useful: Ingrid B at Roses Unlimited


The only way to be sure would be to carefully dig up the little babies. If they have their own root systems then they're likely seedlings. If you find they are attached together somehow or have a long root underground, then they're suckers off of some rose bush that may have been planted many yrs ago. But if you say there's never been a rose there, then they're probably seedlings.
I think I have a seedling baby off my SANKA rose because I discovered last yr that there's another plant in between it and the rose next to it. The blooms are similar to SANKA, but not identical. It's not a sucker because SANKA is a grafted plant, so anything that sprang up from it's roots would be rootstock.
It's interesting what Mother Nature will do for us.

Take a stake that's a little taller than the sides, put something on the top to pad it so it won't poke a hole in the tarp, and put it in the middle under the tarp so the center is a little bit higher than the sides and the water will drain off the tarp on it's own. A rag or a piece of foam at the tip should keep it from punching through the visqueen. Even just an inch or so higher will keep water from sitting in the center and weighing it down. Water always seeks the lowest point.
Don't know about the worms but they do crawl out and sit in the rain puddles. Then when the puddles dry up the silly things are too dumb to crawl away and they die. Glad you put yours back in the ground where they belong!

Just to clarify what Kim is saying- roses you buy cut, from a florist- are florist roses. There are thousands and thousands of different roses grown in this world--
(and there are thousands of roses that are no longer grown (just like fashion))
The florist industry grows those that work best for its purposes (usually long stems and flowers that hold up well). Only a florist would know what the currently grown florist roses are... It's on their wholesale list.
Home growers (us here), on the other hand, grow "garden" roses. roses that are chosen for other reasons and are sold for our purposes.
The roses you find at Lowes or plant stores to plant in your garden are garden roses, the roses you find at a florist in the refrigerator, are probably florist breeds. Sometimes a florist rose makes it into the garden and vice versa- but overall- the categories don't cross.
Think of it like a lingerie store and an outdoor gear store-- those florist roses are lingerie roses and we have the outdoor gear roses.
So- that's why Kim pointed you to a florist site-- they know the roses they grow.
This post was edited by lola-lemon on Thu, Mar 7, 13 at 17:31

Hi Chantal! Um, yes, addictive! I've got 6 on my list this year:
Joseph's Coat
Talisman
Royal Sunset
Night Light
Mme. Butterfly
Abraham Darby
Do you have pictures of your New Dawn? I like the look of it very much, but the reports of the thorns scared me off!

AviaStar I had JC and he is a Beautiful Rose!!! Hmm I don't think ND is that thorny but I guess that is where you are going to put it. I had it in a our Moon Garden but moved it to another spot an area on a walkway to our basement. I gave it a hard prune because I moved it. I like the way it starts out pink bud and open to white - delicate but a strong rose even with neglect. Try it :)

Begin tying any longer canes to a trellis, stakes or other supports and do NOT prune it. IF that plant wants to climb, it will make use of the support and the canes will get longer. Letting them remain free standing, they will thicken to provide support. Tied to something for support, they could begin getting longer.
Another thing you can do to help "encourage" it to climb is to not let it flower. Energy can be expended in flowering or growing and it's your choice which it will be. Keeping the flower buds pinched off should encourage the plant to push a lot of new growth, MUCH more quickly than it would if it kept blooming. Kim

Take it down by about 1/3--in other words, if the rose is 6' tall, take off 2'. Also remove any growth that is dead. If the inside of the cane (stem) is completely brown, it's probably dead growth. Healthy canes have a white inside with a green ring just inside the exterior.
Wait until temperatures start to warm up before pruning. This is because you don't want tender new baby growth to die should it snow or freeze again before spring. Sometimes the local newspaper or local nursery will have an article or class on rose pruning and when to do it in your area.
If the rose does not bloom at all this year even if it grows and has green leaves, then it is likely the root stock on which the original desirable rose was grafted. This happens sometimes in cold, snowy climates.



I used to purchase from Wells Mid South Roses, operated and owned by Verlie Wells (breeder of many mini's and mini-floras such as Memphis Cajun and Angelica Renae). I believe For Love of Roses bought the rights and assets to everything Wells Mid South had owned, and has in turn added quite a variety to the website. I haven't bought from For Love of Roses yet, but Wells Mid South used to have really nice plants and great prices!
Tammy
Here is a link that might be useful: For Love of Roses / Wells Mid South Roses