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The only way to be sure would be to carefully dig up the little babies. If they have their own root systems then they're likely seedlings. If you find they are attached together somehow or have a long root underground, then they're suckers off of some rose bush that may have been planted many yrs ago. But if you say there's never been a rose there, then they're probably seedlings.
I think I have a seedling baby off my SANKA rose because I discovered last yr that there's another plant in between it and the rose next to it. The blooms are similar to SANKA, but not identical. It's not a sucker because SANKA is a grafted plant, so anything that sprang up from it's roots would be rootstock.
It's interesting what Mother Nature will do for us.

Take a stake that's a little taller than the sides, put something on the top to pad it so it won't poke a hole in the tarp, and put it in the middle under the tarp so the center is a little bit higher than the sides and the water will drain off the tarp on it's own. A rag or a piece of foam at the tip should keep it from punching through the visqueen. Even just an inch or so higher will keep water from sitting in the center and weighing it down. Water always seeks the lowest point.
Don't know about the worms but they do crawl out and sit in the rain puddles. Then when the puddles dry up the silly things are too dumb to crawl away and they die. Glad you put yours back in the ground where they belong!

Just to clarify what Kim is saying- roses you buy cut, from a florist- are florist roses. There are thousands and thousands of different roses grown in this world--
(and there are thousands of roses that are no longer grown (just like fashion))
The florist industry grows those that work best for its purposes (usually long stems and flowers that hold up well). Only a florist would know what the currently grown florist roses are... It's on their wholesale list.
Home growers (us here), on the other hand, grow "garden" roses. roses that are chosen for other reasons and are sold for our purposes.
The roses you find at Lowes or plant stores to plant in your garden are garden roses, the roses you find at a florist in the refrigerator, are probably florist breeds. Sometimes a florist rose makes it into the garden and vice versa- but overall- the categories don't cross.
Think of it like a lingerie store and an outdoor gear store-- those florist roses are lingerie roses and we have the outdoor gear roses.
So- that's why Kim pointed you to a florist site-- they know the roses they grow.
This post was edited by lola-lemon on Thu, Mar 7, 13 at 17:31

Hi Chantal! Um, yes, addictive! I've got 6 on my list this year:
Joseph's Coat
Talisman
Royal Sunset
Night Light
Mme. Butterfly
Abraham Darby
Do you have pictures of your New Dawn? I like the look of it very much, but the reports of the thorns scared me off!

AviaStar I had JC and he is a Beautiful Rose!!! Hmm I don't think ND is that thorny but I guess that is where you are going to put it. I had it in a our Moon Garden but moved it to another spot an area on a walkway to our basement. I gave it a hard prune because I moved it. I like the way it starts out pink bud and open to white - delicate but a strong rose even with neglect. Try it :)

Begin tying any longer canes to a trellis, stakes or other supports and do NOT prune it. IF that plant wants to climb, it will make use of the support and the canes will get longer. Letting them remain free standing, they will thicken to provide support. Tied to something for support, they could begin getting longer.
Another thing you can do to help "encourage" it to climb is to not let it flower. Energy can be expended in flowering or growing and it's your choice which it will be. Keeping the flower buds pinched off should encourage the plant to push a lot of new growth, MUCH more quickly than it would if it kept blooming. Kim

Take it down by about 1/3--in other words, if the rose is 6' tall, take off 2'. Also remove any growth that is dead. If the inside of the cane (stem) is completely brown, it's probably dead growth. Healthy canes have a white inside with a green ring just inside the exterior.
Wait until temperatures start to warm up before pruning. This is because you don't want tender new baby growth to die should it snow or freeze again before spring. Sometimes the local newspaper or local nursery will have an article or class on rose pruning and when to do it in your area.
If the rose does not bloom at all this year even if it grows and has green leaves, then it is likely the root stock on which the original desirable rose was grafted. This happens sometimes in cold, snowy climates.


Wait. Can we rewind this discussion?
A Leopard slug? Really?
I thought they only ate rotting debris, as well as other slugs. In other words, they are good slugs. They love the compost areas and work damn hard over there, and I have never seen them eating any living tissue off my plants. I have seen them eating other slugs, the kind I do see eating green leaves on my plants. I have some self sowing seed plants in my garden as well as tender lettuces we grew last year. I have seen none of these disturbed by the Leopard slugs. And actually, I think our bad slug population may be down.
Are you sure a Leopard slug was the culprit?
I've spent tons of time watching and photographing them during the night. I think they are so cool looking. I love the leopard slugs and they are welcome in my garden. I encourage them by keeping pockets of dried leaves packed down in corners against the stone walls they like to hide in. I had them in my last garden several blocks over and at my studio space pot garden, but not here until about four years ago. I was glad when they finally showed up.
Right, I know… I get the grossed out looking at rows of dead squirrels but go out of my way to photograph the Leopard slugs in the garden in the middle of the night. At least the leopard slugs are alive for their photo shoots. :)
And no worries about the link Lucille! I'm a big girl and the web is full of all kinds of weird, wonderful and creepy things. We are all responsible for our own clicking! :)
For the record, I've been a serious vegetarian since around 1984 or so, so I spend very little time looking at dead things, either in the back of a truck like the pictures or at the grocery store. I'm not sure where I thought the "gallery" tab would lead me. Not there, though! Poor little squirrels. I can't even kill the white slugs I pick of my plants. I gather them in a tupperware and put them next door in the wooded yard of the neighbor or in the hellstrip by the road. A bit nutty, maybe, but I like to feel I still fit in on this board, none the less.

Well, I didn't get up in the night to see. ;-)
They are fascinating creatures and I used to leave them alone... I thought it was pretty cool how they would forage at night and then find their way back to their one personal hidey hole each morning.
I also hoped they would cannibalize on the little slugs....
I think I ended up with quite a population of them and then I started noticing buds missing. Some buds were scooped in half in a very smooth way(toothless). A couple of bands seemed to be growing in reverse. I could not figure out what was doing it, until reading that these slugs like young plants and do eat flowers. They can eat crops faster than they grow.
I could be wrong, but what else could eat a bud like that?
I keep the garden mulched with bark and so there are no leaves about.
Anyway- I wish it wasn't the slugs because I heard they eat mold and other slugs and would have kept them. They are cool looking too. but, Nothing was eaten after I rounded up a bunch of them ( 6 or 8) and flushed them.
I dropped their numbers in the rose beds. I am sure I still have plenty of them in other parts of my garden as the slime trails exist on the walkways. Im fine with them there.
This post was edited by lola-lemon on Wed, Mar 6, 13 at 12:30

Wow, thank you guys so much for the information. You all mentioned aspects that I hadn't even considered. I have always planted New guinea impatiens so I don't think mildew would be a problem. But for their first season outdoors, I think I will just stick with plain roses:)
Maude

I got to this thread late, but just want to say that I LOVE forsythia! Peonies too!
I don't know whether this has to do with my having lived all my gardening life in mild zone 8 climates with long wet winters, but I never get tired of that blast of early spring yellow. Forsythia is common here, too, Suzy, so it isn't a question of rarity. When I moved from Florida to western Washington years ago, suffered through the long dark winter, and then saw first thing in spring the forsythia lighting up yards, I swore I would have it. Crocuses likewise, and for the same reason. Of course the shrub has to be allowed to grow naturally as a specimen plant and not be tortured into the shocking blobs one often sees, nor planted in masses.
For the rest we're having a gray and miserable end of winter here too, even though we are in zone 8; still, quite soon we'll have spring which is lurking behind the current curtains of rain and clouds, so are among the fortunate. The snow has melted--at LAST--and the hellebores, sarcococcas, fragrant daphne, and first fragrant violets are in bloom, as well as Cornus mas in the woods.
Suzy, about peony foliage, how about the varieties that color well in fall? I don't think their foliage looks bad in the summer; it may not be striking, but there's nothing offensive about it. Concerning the blooms, I'm getting fond of the officinalis varieties. They bloom ahead of the lactifloras, which extends the season, and they take our climate fine, which is not surprising considering that the species is native to the Apennines. And all the herbaceous peonies are fun in the spring when I go looking for their emerging buds and watch them develop.
Spring is on the way!
Melissa
This post was edited by melissa_thefarm on Wed, Mar 6, 13 at 6:16

HI Melissa, glad to see you surviving the Italian election fiasco.
Yeah, I s'pose I am being abit mean about paeonies too but you know how it goes - you start to garden and are faced with big empty spaces. Some plants, particularly paeonies, hellebores, penstemons, bearded iris do sterling duty at filling these spaces, even after the blooms have long gone over. Hellebores particularly have been a go to plant for me with the large evergreen leafage which fills what would be a sparse spring border (once all the little bulbs have finished). Even so, after a few years and many seed sowings, space is suddenly not the thing we feared, but a precious resource.....and all those great wodges of herbage become truly annoying, shading out the little treasures and just lying there, greenly boring, for weeks, months on end.
In the past, I did a lot of shifting around between garden and allotment, filling dozens of pots which reclaimed much of the pavement at the front and back of my house. I now find myself in a position of enforced reduction, at least until I have some space whipped into shape in the woods (and having watched it spring into brambly life the last couple of weeks, this is going to be a long (and back-breaking) project - thank god for bribeable sons with machetes and mattocks. Remeber your early days? Well, we don't have the slopes or landslides, but we have tree roots and potential tidal flooding.........
All the best gardens are born in adversity, wrenched reluctantly from the soil.




Roses Unlimited has it listed; I don't know about availability. Here's the link for the page. Good luck!
John
Here is a link that might be useful: Ingrid B at Roses Unlimited