22,795 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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jacqueline9CA

I think that it is really valuable to hear about growing roses in different climates. The key is that whoever is posting explain where they are, and the climate they garden in, and DO NOT try and give specific advice to those who garden in completely different climates. I try to share what certain roses do in my garden, because it might be interesting, but try always to warn that I have no idea what they might do in different conditions.

Warm vs Cold is way too simplistic - the warm climate I garden in in CA is totally different from places in the South, for instance, where summers are wet and humid. We do not have hardly any blackspot "pressure", so I will not keep a rose which gets it - I have over 100 roses which do not get it, so why would I keep one that does? Also rust - I only have 3 roses which get rust sometimes, and those are "family heirloom" HTs from the mid 20th century. I keep them because they were planted by my DH's grandfather when they were first introduced, and I like the flowers. However, they live together in huge pots on the patio, where I can keep an eye on them and deal with the rust when it shows up immediately.

I have a friend who has a summer home in Maine. She is able to grow several "once bloomers" I really like. It does not matter that they only bloom once for 6-8 weeks, because that is about the extent of her growing season! I personally would not like that.

Here we get two Springs with new growth and renewal of the plants each year. One is the same season everyone else gets Spring, except earlier - say, March/April. The other is in the Fall when the rain (god willing) comes back. That is really exciting, because many plants have been dormant over the long, hot, dry summer. They come back to life quickly - new growth, new blooms, etc. It is our main planting season. We plant in the Fall so that the new baby plants will have time to grow roots during the mild and wet (usually) winter. So, everyplace is different, and I think it is really good that, being human, we get used to whatever situation we are in, and decide it is the best one! Makes for more happy gardeners.

Jackie

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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

Actually I would think that it is common sense to note that all of us are from all walks of life and from diverse gardening zones. Most people (myself included) give advice and always add that it is based on our experiences in our gardening zone. We may not always say it because it is just common sense. I agree that the more knowledge people share with each other the better it is. It is very interesting for me to read what people's experiences are for growing the same rose.

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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

I live in the Greater Toronto Region and I have grown this rose for almost 20 years now. It is susceptible to bs here but not worst than most other roses. It is fairly healthy and robust over here except late summer bs. It is a beautiful rose and dependable. However, I got my plant many years ago and I can't really comment on recent ones since it is known that overtime some variety may "degenerate" like Peace for example. I've read that older bushes of Peace are taller than later ones.

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SoFL Rose z10

Mine gets black spot and has always been a rather sparse bloomer. I know she does well in certain places. Apparently she did amazingly in the biltmore trials, but she's never been a good performer for me.

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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

Perhaps it's more in your choice of roses. Hybrid Teas are generally the fussiest of all roses, but those who grow them put up with the extra work for the sake of their show-worthy blooms. There are many other types of roses that do great without all the coddling. I have about 100 roses, but only about 5 or 6 are Hybrid Teas. See my inventory in the link below.

https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=3.23781&tab=2&frmt=1&scp=0&order=16&qn=0&qc=62

:-)

~Christopher

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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Definitely your choice of roses. HTs are too fussy to survive here without a lot of help. There is a big learning curve before people can balance between enough to help, and too much to hurt. With hardier, more disease resistant roses, usually the most helpful advice is along the lines of 'put down the chemicals, and step away from the roses'. Just leave them alone, and do absolutely nothing, and they will take care of themselves.

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nickjoseph(5 Milwaukee, WI)

Plus there are thorns, not a lot, but I don't think this bush ever was super thorny.

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nickjoseph(5 Milwaukee, WI)

Patty, I always mulch & used plenty (cedar chips). I was looking at it the other day & thought .....it seems a lot less. I'm beginning to wonder if the chipmunks are taking off with it to store for their winter nests..jk. I was wondering if I should buy a few bags more to add to the existing?

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seil zone 6b MI

Interesting but to me it seemed like mostly trunk and not much else. There were a few buds but I didn't see any open blooms. Not knowing what rose it is it's hard to say what the blooms should look like.

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msdorkgirl(11)

I love bonsai so when I saw this, I immediately shared it with people. Thank you. The trunk formation is very interesting and if trained properly, this could be really interesting.

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altorama(5/6 MA)

I have a rose which really shouldn't be cane-hardy here, I planted it next to the house where it is protected from northern winds and its about 8' tall.

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seil zone 6b MI

Planting location can make a big difference on hardiness. If it's in a well protected micro climate area it could winter very well and really climb!

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Beth zone 8a Dallas, TX

We are hovering between 95 and 105 for the last couple of weeks and we probably have at least another 4 weeks of this. It will start cooling down here mid September and we usually don't get a frost until mid to late November. I've seen many a halloween though where the kids needed coats and gloves and Thanksgivings where they were in shorts. You gotta love Texas weather.

I don't see roots yet but will keep a close eye on them and assess each one along. My main concern was transplanting in this hot weather and stressing them or stressing them in the cold if roots are showing then.

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seil zone 6b MI

If you don't break up the root ball when you make the transfer from small pot to large they shouldn't really feel any stress at all. They should only feel stressed if the roots are heavily disturbed making it more difficult for them to take up water. And as mustbenuts said, a little shade couldn't hurt in 100+ temps.

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altorama(5/6 MA)

Here is some of Rosarium Uetersen, in part shade.

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view1ny NY 6-7

Hang in there with TG. Mine survived the last 2 horrible winters & that's saying a lot as I lost many, many others that just couldn't take the cold.

When it grows a bit more, it'll hopefully put out tons of buds & blooms. Mine is now in its second flush and has a good number of flowers.

Buford, if I understand correctly you have TG in a pot. Mine is in its 5th year and is about 10' high & 8' wide. I had to prune her like mad to get her in somewhat manageable shape. So eventually when your youngster really starts growing you'll probably have to look around for a permanent spot for her. Good luck.

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altorama(5/6 MA)

Was the branch cut back and then you noticed the hole? I think that is from cane borers, and some people put glue where the cut is made to prevent it.

I'm sure someone with more knowledge will answer all your questions though!

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

The picture shows a nest of the small carpenter bee, probably shallow, drilled into the pith of a cut cane. As you see, such canes can support vigorous growth above. I would leave it until dormancy or until spring pruning next year. They are not eating the rose tissue. The little black bees are useful pollinators.

The other case sounds like a more dangerous borer that is running down the cane from the tip. At this time of year I may find a few larvae of the rose stem sawfly; Out West they have the similar raspberry horntail sawfly. Prune down until you find the culprit and kill him. Look for wilted growth tips on other roses (not normal afternoon wilting). You may find neat cuts in the bark a couple of leaves from the top and a white worm inside, farther down the stem.

P{lease add your location to your username.

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SoFL Rose z10

Eden is not very cold hardy as far as I know. Its always been touted as a good rose for the south. I would keep it in a pot and over winter it somewhere warm then plant it next spring.

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altorama(5/6 MA)

Actually mine got quite large here.

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prairie_northrose (3b north of Calgary, AB, Canada)

Just a shot in the dark here, but do you fertilize your lawn, and is the rose close to it? There are several in town here loaded with blooms.

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Beth zone 8a Dallas, TX

Nope, no fertilizer. We still have a yard of weeds in our new house so haven't put anything on it. Neighbors on both sides fertilize but most people here use a company that sprays on fertilizer twice a year and I obtained MC after they sprayed in the spring.

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toolbelt68(7)

Summersrhythm, I got them from JP.

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summersrhythm_z6a

Toolbelt, All 4 of them have thorns (not a lot, but here and there) on the back of leaves. The rose band was from Angel Gardens, others were from JP. May be when they're older, the thorns would disappear, won't be spicy any more? :-)

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roseseek(9)

You're welcome, Bonnie. They should continue working as long as the soil remains moist and there are bugs for them to eat. How is Ireland, BTW?

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jasminerose4u, California 9b

I'm back from Ireland. It was wonderful. There is a saying in Ireland, "If it's not raining, it's about too".

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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Fragrance?

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mirendajean (Ireland)(Donegal, Ireland)

There's some fragrance, however with the rain I'm struggling to determine the strength of it. The blooms last a good long while though and there hasn't been any trouble with balling in the rain.

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summersrhythm_z6a

Thanks Michael, Not sure if there is label on the bag, I will check it later, bought it from a chemical store, not a nursery. I will look for the wettable sulfur. Thanks for the tip.

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

"micronized" is better than "wettable" and you use less per tankful.

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