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daisyhair(9 -Orlando)

"Growing good roses" by Clayton Reddell, a book I've loved reading lately says the hole only needs to be max. 18" because the roots run more outward and than down so I would think a max 2 feet would be fine.

I order roses on fortuniana from Cool Roses, Nelson 's Roses and K&M roses and I've never paid more than $30.

I'd love to know what roses you are having great luck with in full sun here. Most of mine (David Austin) have been Grown in pots in late day shade until this past week when I planted several of them in the ground in full sun. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

    Bookmark   February 3, 2015 at 2:09PM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

There's the issue of the roots and then there's the issue of the nematodes.

It's been so long since I did my nematode research that I don't remember now how DEEP nematodes go.

I specifically remember the statement that the nematodes can travel 3 feet in any lateral direction over the course of a year which meant that in order to have a nematode free bed, there must be an exclusion zone of 3 feet (no plants) in all directions around the bed or the potential exists for the nematodes to reinfect the bed.

But I don't remember how deep they travel. I'm sorry. Hopefully you can find that information.

As for the roots themselves, own root rose roots vary while grafted rose roots depend on the root stock used. Some root stocks have tap roots and others have significant branching. If the grafted root stock is known, then the sort of roots to expect can be determined. For example, Fortuniana is a relatively shallow rooted root stock.

Good luck.

This post was edited by sandandsun on Tue, Feb 3, 15 at 22:32

    Bookmark   February 3, 2015 at 10:22PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Hi Alana

Just answering your question here as well as in a separate thread. Bulk ordering from Roses Unlimited is for 66 or more roses shipped to the same address, and there is a price break of 10% off the roses plus reduced shipping (that varies by zone). For me, the roses are shipped at $4/rose rather than $7/rose. For this many roses, it definitely adds up.

It's a good excuse to get your friends and neighbors to join you on a rose order!

Cynthia

    Bookmark   February 3, 2015 at 3:14PM
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Alana8aSC

Thanks Cynthia! I got it on the other thread, but thanks anyway! Wish I had someone to go in with me, but it's ok because I'm going their anyway :)

    Bookmark   February 3, 2015 at 5:57PM
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KarenPA_6b

I am really enjoying all the views on this thread,. Just gorgeous! THank you for sharing.

Christopher, I can't wait to see pics of your developing garden next year. It is really smart to put on the deer nettings for the clematis. I can just envision a wall of color when the clematis are in bloom. What an effect that will be! I hope you don't mind that I use your idea in part of my garden. Karen

    Bookmark   February 3, 2015 at 8:47AM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

Venosa Violacea is my favorite clematis. It is vigorous and hardy.

    Bookmark   February 3, 2015 at 11:35AM
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jacqueline9CA

There are no right answers, traditional wisdom is not always correct (sometimes it is downright wrong), so do what is convenient for you, see what happens, and learn from that.

Jackie

    Bookmark   February 2, 2015 at 2:24PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I agree with Jackie, you can't go by "tradition". You have to let your roses tell you when it's time. I watch my roses and wait to see them start to fatten up the red leaf buds along the canes. Once I see that I know they are waking up and starting to grow. That's when I prune. I have no idea when that might happen for you so go out and check your roses. If that's already started you can go ahead and prune them. Normally I do two prunings though. The first one is early when the have started to grow but I find I usually have to go back around after they've leafed out because there may have been some further die back or there may have been a late freeze that took some cane. I don't know if that happens in your climate or not.

    Bookmark   February 2, 2015 at 5:48PM
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treehugger101

Mariannese, Your pic of Rhapsody in Blue looks like Blue For You to me. Does anyone know where to find Rhapsody In Blue and/ or Blue For You? Chamblee's has BFY but they are twigs and it is 20 in shipping besides. Thanks for your help.

Terri

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 8:20PM
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ratdogheads(5b NH)

Northland Rosarium has both. I got Rhapsody from them last year. It was a good sized healthy plant and grew vigorously.

    Bookmark   February 2, 2015 at 5:25AM
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rross(NSW Aust)

For me, there are easier and more constantly flowering plants, such as dahlias, to grow for just colour. I grow roses primarily for their fragrance.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 7:50AM
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treehugger101

Roses and Cattleya orchids. If they have no fragrance, what's the point? Watch the look on someone's face when they receive commercially grown roses, bend their face down and take a deep breath of nothing. It is sheer disappointment. I don't understand this at all.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 11:04PM
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daisyhair(9 -Orlando)

Hopefully it was some of the beneficial fungi. I had lots of the soil from the pot with the white stuff in it as well so I added a couple of shovel fulls in the hole.

I actually have recently bought some Great White fungi to start using in my new rose pots.

Thanks again!

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 3:45PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

I had the same problem and panicked, but was reassured here that it was nothing to worry about and was, in fact, a good thing.

Ingrid

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 7:48PM
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jacqueline9CA

I read it - very interesting book, although not as much about roses as I would have liked.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 12:30PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Thanks for this, cottonwood. Looks interesting. I just might have to read the other books by Andrea Di Robilant as well. Such a personal look at history. Here's a short video regarding the book and author.

Here is a link that might be useful: BBC Video Chasing the Rose

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 4:15PM
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Desertgarden-Las Vegas, Z8b/9a @ 2800 ft

And Twilight Zone

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 11:42AM
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Desertgarden-Las Vegas, Z8b/9a @ 2800 ft

and Ebb Tide.

His roses are among some of my favorites for the moderns.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 11:46AM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Ken-n.ga.mts., what did you order?

    Bookmark   January 31, 2015 at 9:02PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Kentucky rose----For my garden, 4 Shelia's Perfume, 2 Royal Amethyst, 2 Distant Drums. For a lady at work, 1 Remember Me, 1 Elina. For my garden at work, 1 Chicago Peace, 1 Electron, 1 Big Purple, 1 Mr Lincoln. Plus I ordered 50 name plates. Next year I'll probably order 4 Neil Diamond's, depending on what other folks have to say about it this coming year.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 11:03AM
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bethnorcal9

Ooooh! Love it! Now I can't wait for mine to bloom.

    Bookmark   January 7, 2015 at 10:32PM
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sabalmatt_dallas(Z8 Dallas)

I am growing this one in Dallas. I have pampered it as I love the bloom color. It's been somewhat disappointing. It's grown into a massive, gangly thorny climber. It didn't bloom for its first three years. It bloomed three times last summer. Unfortunately, the blooms are very short lived in Tx heat. Rover seems to have an insatiable thirst. I think he would be happier in a cooler summer climate with a lot more rain.

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 8:54AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Yes, containerized roses do need to be either potted up to larger pots or root pruned eventually. If you're at the largest sized pots you can handle then root pruning is the way to go.

Doing it during dormancy is probably the best time. Wait until just before they would normally start to come out of dormancy. Cut the tops down some both to make them easier to handle and also because you're reducing the amount of roots you have available to feed the top when they come out of dormancy. Take them out of the pots and shave the root ball down by about 1/3 (no more than half) and repot with fresh soil. When they wake up they should take off and start growing again and refilling those pots with roots, lol!

    Bookmark   January 31, 2015 at 10:12PM
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roseseek

Why couldn't you prune the roots when you prune the tops of potted roses? That is precisely what they do when they harvest the plants from the growing fields prior to either sending them to you or storing them for shipment at bare root season. That's also what occurs when you transplant a rose from one spot to another, or remove it from the ground to be planted in a pot. The roots get pruned, and hopefully the tops, too, to keep them balanced so the plant has a greater chance of reestablishing itself and not dying from too extreme water stress. If you're receiving rains now, it's the perfect time to do the deed. You can pretty much get away with murder, figuratively speaking, when the rains keep the plants bathed in water after being so severely disturbed. Good luck! Kim

    Bookmark   February 1, 2015 at 1:33AM
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onewheeler(Z5 N.S.)

Joanie the picture in under the H section that Beth has posted in the rose gallery. I doubt it is much better than yours.

Thanks for the offers of starts from your farm. that would be so wonderful if we were able to do that. I was able to dig out about 25 roses from my Pugwash garden. Of course I have to wait till summer to see how many survived the transplant. Harisons is one of the ones I was able to dig out a piece to bring. The rest are mostly Austins, small ones. The bigger roses that I adored could not be dug out. I have tried to root some cuttings but so far not much success. I wanted to order Viking Queen and Ramblin Red from Pickering but they are not open this year. I have 5 new roses on order too. I might just break down and order from Hortico. LOL I can hardly wait to pick some roses for the house. Larry is building me a few fan thingies to attach some roses to the side of the house around back where we built a couple of new decks.

    Bookmark   January 31, 2015 at 10:29AM
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joan_ontheprairie(5)

Valerie, it is so nice that Larry will help you and build you fan thingies. I love your photo of Harisons Yellow...such a wonderful rose.Makes me hyperventilate!
I sure do hope some of your cuttings survive...you must keep trying! xoxoxo

    Bookmark   January 31, 2015 at 7:00PM
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azjenny

Thanks Moroseaz!
That makes sense. Should I trim those leaves off?
The rest of the plants do look very good I think and they are blooming like crazy right now..
They are babies so I wasn't going to do much in the way of a January hard prune. Is that right?

    Bookmark   January 31, 2015 at 12:25AM
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moroseaz

Pull the lower leaves off or let them drop naturally. Some bushes will lose their lower leaves 1-2 times a year as the leaf ages out. In summer, it can cause problems with sunburn, so it's important to keep your roses healthy with regular water, regular fertilization during active leaf and bud season and good mulching to retard weed growth (root competition) and retain soil moisture and reduce soil temps. Gravel is not good rose mulch. Looks like you're using wood chips.

You say these are 'babies'. Did you add any soil amendments when you planted them? In the low desert we recommend adding 1/2 cup each bone meal and soil sulfur in the hole before planting. We do not add gypsum as we already have plenty of calcium in our soils. Phosphate and sulfur don't break down readily and need to be in the root area to be effective. During the spring, about April 10th, add a tbls of chelated iron (recommend Kerex) and 1/2 cup Epsom Salts. Water thoroughly before and after application. Iron and Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salts) are also in short supply in our local soils.

Unless you are gardening in an area that receives flood irrigation, these amendments are pretty much standard requirements for good roses. If you're gardening in an older section of the Valley that receives flood irrigation, you can probably dispense with the soil sulfur and maybe even the Epsom Salts. These areas may even have somewhat acidic soils after all these years. The rest of us have alkaline clay with hard, alkaline water and rocks that aren't rocks but calcium-rich clay hardened into caliche (adobe bricks).

    Bookmark   January 31, 2015 at 5:33PM
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susan4952(5)

sooooo ready in Chicago, all ready to go. Mother Nature has other plans. 8-12 inches of snow expected . I look at it as prespring soaking and insulation
To get us thru February...the month when the earth cleanses itself in readiness for SPRING. I guess I am ready. After Xmas its a wild slide to FLOWER TIME.

    Bookmark   January 30, 2015 at 10:42PM
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boncrow66

I am ready for spring too and it's hard not to prune roses when the weather is pretty. I usually don't prune until the middle of February. Today we cleaned out the dead limbs in the azalea bushes and cleaned up around some beds.

    Bookmark   January 31, 2015 at 4:53PM
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