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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

loved the flowers of 'Pure Perfume', really wonderful. Terrible rust, though. Had to get rid of it. A shame that the marketing people at J&P know nothing about roses. They will end up losing customers in the long run. If they really were serious they would recommend roses by region. Short term profits are all that matter these days.

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

That Pure Perfume does look very nice and it's nice to hear that it does have some fragrance, even if paler than billed. Shame about the rust, but it's sadly not something on the radar screen of many companies that say "disease resistant". For me, it's not an issue, but I know it is in much of the US west.

Cynthia

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summersrhythm_z6a

What about Honeymoon? I am getting one in the mail next week.

I take it back, I had to cancel my order today. The nursery is out of 3 of 4 roses I ordered. It's too expensive for me to just order one rose band with the high cost shipping. I will order one next year with other roses. :-)

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

The Floral Fairy Tale, Cream Flower Circus, and Elegant Fairy Tale are light apricot that fade to cream, and they are quite compact (3' in my zone). Also, Lion's Fairy Tale is mostly cream for me and a large and pretty profuse bloomer. They're all heavy bloomers, reliably hardy in our zone 5, and supposed to be at least somewhat fragrant. They might be, but I can rarely smell most roses. As far as I can tell they last 5-7 days on the bush, but I don't tend to cut them so I can't tell in the house. The full petaled ones tend to be a little less long lasting in general.

Here are photos of three of them:

Floral Fairy Tale

Cream Flower Circus

Lion's Fairy Tale (mine was sold as Champagne Moment). It's usually on the pinkish side, but here it is last month in a white mood:

Summer Memories is also a nice clean white and it has survived in the zone 4 pocket of my yard just fine. The photo is a little blurry, but the color is pretty true to life.

Hope this helps!

Cynthia

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smithdale1z8pnw

jkelly, I'm in the same zone as you but we don't get enough heat to ripen melons, However, my compost provides me with a small crop of potatoes every year which I cherish. I also get tomatoes in the areas where I put my compost, not a lot but I am thrilled with each gift that it sends my way.

Jane

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Neat! :-)

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I suggest moving the smaller rose at the correct time for your area if needed... Best of luck with your roses! They look great!

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seil zone 6b MI

Leave K&M alone. Move the other one when you can and don't worry about it in the mean time. It may surprise you and just grow bigger to get out from under K&M's shadow! My roses will often grow out one way or the other seeking more sun.

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

I love the garden gnome above but am surprised that some of you don't like garden gnomes in general. Here is my garden gnome--I think he is really cute.

Kate

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seil zone 6b MI

Great gnomes! I just like all kinds of garden decorations!

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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

Adrian, have you thought about perhaps trying some of the older roses that do well in warm climates, like Chinas, Teas, Noisettes, etc? There are also some roses bred by Girija and Viru Viraraghavan in India, with the aim of doing well in tropical climates. Some of his roses are available in the US, notably through Roses Unlimited and Rose Petals Nursery.

:-)

~Christopher

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summersrhythm_z6a

Chris, Wow, that was a huge change in your life from Animal Science, crop classes to Psychology. :-) Good for you! Always want to take some crop, and metal art classes. metal art goes with garden design....... thanks for the info on the grape rot. I got some help on the fruit forum, and I found out sulfur can be used to treat black rot. I use sulfur mix with dish soap for BS and PM when the weather is cool, didn't know that could be used on grapes too. I grow grapes on gazebos (roofs), I have to re-think about this garden design, they'd need more air flow. Thinking about to let rambler roses( Ghislaine de Feligonde and Malvern Hills) cover the big gazebo roof (15-16' tall), and keep the grapes up to 8'......

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stillanntn6b

Henry,

Right now all I have access to is the search engine, no papers. And our ag library shelves are closed for the summer while they change the library to less library space. So...no, I'm sorry I can't do this with Google scholar. Unlike you, I don't have any answer to the question I asked you.

Rest assured, I wouldn't intentially waste your time. And won't in the future.

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henry_kuska

Ann, I was suggesting Google, not Google Scholar. Regarding your statement: " Unlike you, I don't have any answer to the question I asked you."

I do not see what your question has to do with the topic so I do know what specific information you would like..

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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Thank you, Michael, for your sensible information.

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henry_kuska

From EPA document:

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&authuser=0&gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&hl=en&authuser=0&q=+tebuconazole+birds

"Based on current toxicological data and predicted exposure levels for the new crop uses, tebuconazole is not expected to pose significant acute risk to fish, aquatic invertebrates,

aquatic plants, birds and small mammals. However, there is potential for chronic risk to

freshwater fish, marine fish and marine invertebrates from proposed uses on turf at 1.4 Ibs

ai/A. Though acute risk to birds is not predicted, there is a potential chronic risk to birds that

feed primarily on vegetation (short and tall grass and foliage) or insects resulting from all of

the proposed new multiple application uses of tebuconazole. Since tebuconazole is persistent

(T,,2=800 days) and has high affinity (K,,=906 to 1251ml/g) for soil sorption, it is likely to adhere

to soil particles and may move from the application site on entrained sediments in runoff waters.

The table below provides a simplified look at tebuconazole risk to non-target organisms for

proposed uses."

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msdorkgirl(11)

Wow that Vision is very vigorous and would take my breath away.

Thank you everyone for posting your pics.

Here's my first bloom on 1st year Queen of Sweden (2.5") --- is it usually a spray or can I look forward to some singular stems after a while?

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Queen of Sweden is looking good msdorkgirl!

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Prettypetals_GA_7-8

Wow! Super sweet!!

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caflowerluver(9b)

Thanks again. Just have to wait and see what it grows up to be when mature. Most of the seedlings I have grown didn't make it past a year or two. I don't baby them so only the strong survive.

This is just a fun hobby for me. I am not trying to breed the next new rose. It does give me new respct for those who are serious abou this.

I measured the bloom and it is 2" across.

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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Sparkel n Shine maybe? It looks like mine.

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Toscadream Zone 8a Tx
Thank you, Patty, I googled and it does look very similar to sparkle and shine. I need to wait for this weather to cool down to see how the blooms will look
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

People who worry too much about their plants sometimes hurt their plants by trying to fix them when they don't need any fixing :)

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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

nat, I pulled a bunch of similar looking leaves off of my roses this morning. The older leaves will get yucky at some point. That's why you deadhead and groom roses. The new growth will come in and look better. These are baby bands and you can't expect them to look perfect all the time.

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Nicole Vabre(zone 4 NW Iowa)

Interesting! I thought for sure it was canker, but glad to hear it isn't. Regardless, I cut the cane to the crown because it was slowly spreading up & the leaves about the brown part were not looking like they should. Also the bud eye nearest the crown, under the brown, looked like a pimple - red & inflamed. It hurt to make the cut since there was a nice cluster of buds that would've looked gorgeous in about a week, but better to have lost something temporary than keep it & cause more damage!

I felt much better about it when my husband came home with "Above & Beyond," which he picked up at our local nursery today ;)

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Nicole - it could well be canker for all I know - that word gets used pretty broadly for a lot of conditions. For me, it's enough to say the canes were damaged and the damage was spreading, and that's clearly enough to recommend trimming those off and sacrificing those lovely blooms. Enjoy your new baby and we'll expect "toddler" pictures in a year or so.

Cynthia

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summersrhythm_z6a

Why can't we outsource the RRD research job to China/oth country since we don't have the money to do it ourselves? We need to save our roses.....

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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Ann - thanks so much for pointing us to your chapters! I've kept up with your postings on RRD faithfully to be able to recognize it when it would (inevitably) show up near me, but I didn't realize some of the first sitings were in Nebraska. I didn't know there was a cold breeding of roses in North Platte Nebraska, and Viehmeyer roses don't seem to have become commercial if they were successful. Perhaps RRD derailed the process for him. It's a shame that Morden was an early susceptible site too, given how important those roses have become for cold zone rose gardeners.

I appreciate the heads-up, and I'm doubly grateful that I've never seen anything of the sort show up in my garden or other roses I see around town. I appreciate the work you continually do to educate us all about this scourge, Ann.

Cynthia

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