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Beautiful garden Cynthia!
I actually "broke" the rule and has been growing climbers close to each other. Then again, in my zone, most climbers don't really climb as I've found out this spring. I was hoping that if they climb to eventually train their canes crossing each other. I don't really like roses to be "visually segregated" unless they are mass planted.
Thanks for the comments folks - I like this view and wish it would stay like this longer in the year! It's a little hard to tell exactly which roses are which summersrhythm, since I let everything mix up together. I don't like visual segregation either, as JJpeace says - give me "rose chaos" every time!
At a guess, from the left I think I see Compassion (light pink), Bonica (medium pink) and maybe a little Caldwell Pink from the far side of the fence, mixed with Madame Bovary climber (also medium pink), with Laguna (dark pink), Red Riding Hood at the feet (red), Ghislaine de Feligonde (cream/apricot small flowers), Elina (light yellow) mixing with Frau Eva Schubert (light pink) and Larry Daniels poking over the fence (pink), blending into some of the hybrid musks cream/apricot to the right, probably Cornelia and Felicia, but one could be Guirlande d'Amour.
The nice thing about all this is they seem to do this reasonably happily in part sun under limbed up pine trees. The edge of the fence you see stretches out into some sun, but you can see the lamium is quite happy at the feet (groundcover) as are multiple hostas and other shade plants. Climbers are great because they can reach up for some sun, but they don't rebloom as often as in more intense sun conditions. Ah well, I have a lot of fence to fill, so I'm not complaining.
Anyway, Gibsongirl - feel free to keep us posted on progress and have fun with your plans.
Cynthia
It looks like RRD to me. Not just because of the funky leaf growth. The strange bend in the cane with some weird thorns near the bend looks suspicious too. RRD can make one side of a cane grow faster than the other.
I hope I'm wrong and I would follow ann's advice and cut off the cane at least below the bend and see what happens later.
Today I will purchase horticultural oil and chop off the abnormal looking growth. My neighbors to the west began the landscaping process for their yard this week, but a small amount of hardscape only ( little doggie areas:). When I spoke with them, they had not determined exactly what they were going to do with their property yet, and because HOA approval will be required etc., my YL is isolated, I probably have time to really see what is going on. I do not know if this D.A. rose came from TX or from what I have heard, possibly AZ.
As Anne-Cecilia says, botrytis petal blight causes pink spots and brown rotten spots in mild, wet weather.. If you are in a dry, warm area, it will go away soon. If you are in a cool, drippy area this variety may be unsuitable for you. Fungicides like Bayer don't control it.
We can't tell from here whether all the brown flowers have botrytis or whether some are just old spent flowers. On an ideal landscape rose, the old spent flowers will drop petals rather than wither on the bush. But botrytis can cause them to hang on and rot.
Personally I don't try to practice sanitation with outdoor plants. The air is full of spores whatever you do.
I can only offer experience from hot and dry zone 10 so it may not necessarily apply to you....
Evelyn for me is extremely tall and wide - 3 metre wide and 2 metre tall so definitely for back of border. These are great for cut flowers.
PJP is normal HT size. Dense growth and lots of flowers all the time. Very quick repeat and opens slowly - good for a position where you can see and smell all the time - unless you want to cut them. They do make great cut roses too.
Duchesse de Brabant - typical tea growth, will grow to 2 metres wide and shorter. It has a tendency to spread sideways rather than up. I put mine at the edge of a raised bed and the canes and flowers arch downwards gracefully and is always covered in blooms.
Munstead Wood stayed small for the first 6 months and then started shooting 2 metre tall Octopus canes which I hacked back to 2 feet. Nice old rose fragrance. Very very thorny so not too close to the footpath...
Sunsprite is always short. I prefer this grown as a standard so that you don't have to bend down to smell the flowers.
I have many of those roses, but they are new for me, so I'll only talk about the ones I've had for awhile.
Duchesse d'Brabant can get wide, it is a tea, but not a gigantic one. It's a great rose except for the fact that the first flush often falls prey to thrips. Other than that, it's great, but maybe not for a narrow border.
Lady Hillingdon, on the other hand, has a narrow upright growth habit. It would be good in a border.
St. Patrick, I had this before and it did very well. I had it by my mailbox. It's a HT so can stay narrow. The blooms are beautiful. I lost mine a few years ago, but I did get a new one.
Fair Bianca, this is a small Austin, but with powerful blooms. Mine has been down to one cane since the horrible 2013/14 winter, but must have 30 blooms on it right now. It will stay low, about 2.5 feet and not that wide. Good for a front border.
I do spray, so I'm not sure about the BS resistance, I believe St. Patrick does not get that much for an HT. The teas get a bit, but are more resistant. Fair Bianca, I don't think is that bad. Believe it or not, I still get some BS on roses even with spraying so those are in the 'no disease resistance whatsover' category. None of these are.
Easy Elegance roses are a good choice. Also consider some of the ADR certified roses, Edmunds Roses has a few & Palatines, from Canada, has a good number of them. Since you are in z5, remember to plant your grafted roses with the bud union 3-4 inches below ground & own root roses can be planted 1-2 inches deeper than what they are in the pot....this will improve winter survival. Here is a link to a list of ADR roses ADR ROSES
I have the EE rose Kiss Me and it is very fragrant. Music Box is a good one too from EE. Last fall I planted Party Hardy, and it was hardy to the tips - can't tell you yet about fragrance though:) Poke around on the forums a little, then go out and look around and see what you like!
I've had buds that took so long to open that when they did, they weren't pretty. This was during a cool spell in spring. The next blooms were fine. You may want to pinch some of these off, to help expedite the next round of blooms.
Ooh, Pat - that is indeed a perfect match, down to the notched petals even. Surprising, as I have Felicia already, but mine doesn't look anywhere near as gorgeous as yours. Maybe I need to give this second Felicia a little more sun and see if she can rise to the occasion. I have a lot of hybrid musks, and that makes sense for the RV mystery since there have been other Hmusks this year in the collection. I appreciate your help!
Cynthia
Thanks, folks! It's nice to know I can occasionally get one right. Cadiarose - I'd be curious what you're getting as your freebies from RV. I still have three more mysteries that haven't bloomed, as well as three more on the way, and I'm always interested in a little advance warning of what they might be. Thanks
Cynthia
You have the most important thing Morning Sun. This is good (so the Rose leaves don't get wet for too long, to fend off diseases.). Alnwick Castle is the greatest smelling rose. Mayflower smells good and is very cold hardy. both are very upright, so try to prune to just above an outward facing bud eye ( set of five leaves pointing away from center of plant.) to get them to spread out.
Sam
The other thing you can do as you plant roses, and obviously plan for more roses in the future (as you'll be hooked), is to prepare the soil across that bed as well as possible. In many places, simply amending the planting hole with compost and manure can encourage the rose to hunker down in that small amended space and not really expand to the real soil where it needs to be. If you have time to spade in some compost into the whole bed, that's a quicker solution. The lazy solution (obviously my way) is to add a lot or compost, leaves, grass clippings, wood chips to the top of the soil across the bed and let the worms do your work for you. In Virginia, you have to watch not keeping too much moisture near the rose, since you're in a prime area where blackspot and other diseases can get particularly annoying. Some folks like to pot up their bands from places like Heirloom in a gallon pot till they get a few more roots on them before planting in the ground, and that might give you a chance to add some good stuff to the soil. None of this is probably absolutely necessary, but since you're asking ahead of time what everyone is suggesting are some ideas to boost your chances for these roses.
Oh, and don't forget to be patient with these roses. They may sit there and look like nothing much all this year, bloom a little here and there next year, and you'll think - what a dud! Roses take at least 3 years to really get settled in, and the more they grow good roots, the stronger the plant will be in the long run.
Cynthia