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kidhorn2

It looks like RRD to me. Not just because of the funky leaf growth. The strange bend in the cane with some weird thorns near the bend looks suspicious too. RRD can make one side of a cane grow faster than the other.

I hope I'm wrong and I would follow ann's advice and cut off the cane at least below the bend and see what happens later.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2015 at 9:06AM
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Desertgarden-Las Vegas, Z8b/9a

Today I will purchase horticultural oil and chop off the abnormal looking growth. My neighbors to the west began the landscaping process for their yard this week, but a small amount of hardscape only ( little doggie areas:). When I spoke with them, they had not determined exactly what they were going to do with their property yet, and because HOA approval will be required etc., my YL is isolated, I probably have time to really see what is going on. I do not know if this D.A. rose came from TX or from what I have heard, possibly AZ.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2015 at 9:57AM
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A. Newfool(7)

Normal folks are so weird :)

I see disease in every spot, hole or fallen leaf, LOL. Thank you all for talking me off the ledge.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2015 at 5:24AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

As Anne-Cecilia says, botrytis petal blight causes pink spots and brown rotten spots in mild, wet weather.. If you are in a dry, warm area, it will go away soon. If you are in a cool, drippy area this variety may be unsuitable for you. Fungicides like Bayer don't control it.

We can't tell from here whether all the brown flowers have botrytis or whether some are just old spent flowers. On an ideal landscape rose, the old spent flowers will drop petals rather than wither on the bush. But botrytis can cause them to hang on and rot.

Personally I don't try to practice sanitation with outdoor plants. The air is full of spores whatever you do.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2015 at 7:37AM Thanked by A. Newfool
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maidinmontana(Zone 5 Billings MT)

Thanks Summers, should I water it in as well? Oh, it's going to be a muddy mess. . . I knew I should have done it this morning before the rain started. . .sigh

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 9:13PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Yes dear, water it well after planting. Just make sure it gets some water everyday. Rain is great, save you some work. I water my bare root roses every night after work. Good luck! :-)

    Bookmark     May 15, 2015 at 6:41AM Thanked by maidinmontana
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fragrancenutter(Zone 10b)

I can only offer experience from hot and dry zone 10 so it may not necessarily apply to you....

Evelyn for me is extremely tall and wide - 3 metre wide and 2 metre tall so definitely for back of border. These are great for cut flowers.

PJP is normal HT size. Dense growth and lots of flowers all the time. Very quick repeat and opens slowly - good for a position where you can see and smell all the time - unless you want to cut them. They do make great cut roses too.

Duchesse de Brabant - typical tea growth, will grow to 2 metres wide and shorter. It has a tendency to spread sideways rather than up. I put mine at the edge of a raised bed and the canes and flowers arch downwards gracefully and is always covered in blooms.

Munstead Wood stayed small for the first 6 months and then started shooting 2 metre tall Octopus canes which I hacked back to 2 feet. Nice old rose fragrance. Very very thorny so not too close to the footpath...

Sunsprite is always short. I prefer this grown as a standard so that you don't have to bend down to smell the flowers.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2015 at 3:18AM Thanked by Dinglehopp3r z7A. EastTN
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Buford_NE_GA_7A(7B)

I have many of those roses, but they are new for me, so I'll only talk about the ones I've had for awhile.

Duchesse d'Brabant can get wide, it is a tea, but not a gigantic one. It's a great rose except for the fact that the first flush often falls prey to thrips. Other than that, it's great, but maybe not for a narrow border.

Lady Hillingdon, on the other hand, has a narrow upright growth habit. It would be good in a border.

St. Patrick, I had this before and it did very well. I had it by my mailbox. It's a HT so can stay narrow. The blooms are beautiful. I lost mine a few years ago, but I did get a new one.

Fair Bianca, this is a small Austin, but with powerful blooms. Mine has been down to one cane since the horrible 2013/14 winter, but must have 30 blooms on it right now. It will stay low, about 2.5 feet and not that wide. Good for a front border.

I do spray, so I'm not sure about the BS resistance, I believe St. Patrick does not get that much for an HT. The teas get a bit, but are more resistant. Fair Bianca, I don't think is that bad. Believe it or not, I still get some BS on roses even with spraying so those are in the 'no disease resistance whatsover' category. None of these are.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2015 at 3:52AM Thanked by Dinglehopp3r z7A. EastTN
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wirosarian_z4b_WI

Easy Elegance roses are a good choice. Also consider some of the ADR certified roses, Edmunds Roses has a few & Palatines, from Canada, has a good number of them. Since you are in z5, remember to plant your grafted roses with the bud union 3-4 inches below ground & own root roses can be planted 1-2 inches deeper than what they are in the pot....this will improve winter survival. Here is a link to a list of ADR roses ADR ROSES

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 3:18PM
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Dingo2001 - Z5 Chicagoland(5)

I have the EE rose Kiss Me and it is very fragrant. Music Box is a good one too from EE. Last fall I planted Party Hardy, and it was hardy to the tips - can't tell you yet about fragrance though:) Poke around on the forums a little, then go out and look around and see what you like!

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 5:29PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

I've had buds that took so long to open that when they did, they weren't pretty. This was during a cool spell in spring. The next blooms were fine. You may want to pinch some of these off, to help expedite the next round of blooms.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 3:59PM Thanked by Theresa McHarney
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Theresa McHarney

Thanks, Kentucky Rose, I will watch, and if they get burnt or chewed, I may go ahead and pinch them off.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 4:59PM
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pat_bamaz7

Felicia? Here are a couple of pics of mine:


    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 12:54PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Ooh, Pat - that is indeed a perfect match, down to the notched petals even. Surprising, as I have Felicia already, but mine doesn't look anywhere near as gorgeous as yours. Maybe I need to give this second Felicia a little more sun and see if she can rise to the occasion. I have a lot of hybrid musks, and that makes sense for the RV mystery since there have been other Hmusks this year in the collection. I appreciate your help!

Cynthia

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 1:23PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a(6b/7a)

Yes, herbicide damage can look like the photos. Agree with removing the canes, and we'll all hope that it is nothing more than herbicide damage. Oh, and herbicide spray can drift 20+ feet.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 12:03PM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

I meant faciation(sp) but it's not that either.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 1:07PM
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roseseek(9)

That looks to be a very good possibility, Cynthia. Congratulations! Kim

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 5:40PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Thanks, folks! It's nice to know I can occasionally get one right. Cadiarose - I'd be curious what you're getting as your freebies from RV. I still have three more mysteries that haven't bloomed, as well as three more on the way, and I'm always interested in a little advance warning of what they might be. Thanks

Cynthia

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rouge21_gw(5)

For sure 'hoovb' re reflowering. Our JC blooms profusely from the third week of June for almost a month and then almost no blooms after that.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:10AM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Wow, a beautiful garden! :-) You should have a garden party!

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:42AM
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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Are sucrates the same as sulphates? I doubt it.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:25AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Oops, I'm half blind. I'll erase my post.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:40AM
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Gary(USDA ZONE = 9b SUNSET ZONE = 18 (Riverside, CA, USA))

I just finished re-planting about 10 roses to new (uncrowded) locations in my garden. Because it gets below freezing here only a couple of days each winter, I planted them with the union above the soil. (2 of those roses had Dr Huey canes so I ripped them off and planted the grafted parts)

3 other roses had been taken over by Dr. Huey (no grafted parts remain) so I trashed those roses.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:13AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

In zone 9, I would expose the graft so that suckers are immediately identified as such. Also the fleshy roots are at the depth they grew at in the field. When roots of Huey are panted too deep, it may slow development of the plant for a while. On digging such plants, I've seen a beard of fine roots growing out of the shank with little development of the original fleshy roots.

In my zone it's best to bury the graft slightly.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:26AM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

It is gorgeous! If you want it to look more orderly now, pull the parts where you want them and use a little plant wire to secure them. Then you won't have to prune! I do that all the time with my roses and other tall plants/climbers that respond well to it :)

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 11:11PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you everyone. I think I'm convinced, other than maybe doing what Meredith suggested, I'm going to leave it alone.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 10:04AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I only covered the new greenhouse roses I just got and planted from RU just in case... Our other roses are established so those temps would not hurt those roses...

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 5:21AM
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summersrhythm_z6a

We hit 34 over here, pretty cool

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 9:52AM
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