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I can just see the head lines in the local newspaper now....Crazy woman seen running around her yard, striping off her cloths while yelling, get it off, get it off......

Hahaha

Donnann, your bee balm garden was absolutely gorgeous! thank you so much for posting and am really looking forward to when it fully recovers, just like I hope the honeybees will someday come back to my Dad's garden... Sadly as Dr. Amrine says it can take a very long time for bees to return once they're gone... He says there are sections in Virginia in which there haven't been any honeybees for over 10 years... And I think that is why we should try not! to use insecticides like Sevin that are highly toxic to bees.

Iluvgardens, here is the link for everyone to watch that you provided... I am so glad you and my BF mentioned it to me so that I could watch online since I missed the show...

video on the disappearance of our bees

Again, the show and PBS' site urges everyone to consider trying to go pesticide-free...whereas my stance is try to stop Sevin... PBS says "And of course keep your bee garden free of pesticides a danger in any garden. Some pesticides can kill the bee before it returns to the hive; other pesticides get carried back and can harm the rest of the hive." Sevin is exactly! the kind of pesticide/"arsenic" that gets carried back to the hive. Even our own forumers inadvertently admitted that Sevin was the only thing to completely destroy the wasps and their hives----Likewise Sevin wipes out honeybees in THIS EXACT SAME WAY.!

Here is PBS' link which is called how you can help the bees

Again, I'm praying that everyone really reconsiders Sevin and its impact on our bees...If we just do this little thing, we can make a tremendous difference.

Serena

I just posted an inquiry about using Sevin for Jap Beetles and then I saw your post. I'm so sorry to hear your inadvertent loss of your Dad's bee population. I won't even spray the Carpenter Bees when they're feeding on the bee balm. Your loss and post will benefit many others from making the same mistake. I've been spraying a little Raid when the beetles are devouring my roses. But, will need to re-think my JB treatment for next year.

I have been so blessed this year with butterflies (mostly swallowtails) in my newly estabilshed garden. It's magical to walk outside and you're just surrounded by the butterflies everywhere. I've got buttonbush blooming by the large pond and the butterflies are in heaven. In the front I have mostly echinachea and a couple of butterfly bushes.

So the moral of the story is to attract lots of birds.

Thanks for your post.

Donna in Fredericksburg, VA

Sutekesh, I think that's IT. I had tried to id her by going thru palatines offerings....and you are right. Thank you so much.

Glad to have been able to help!

Sharlene

You might try a light with a motion sensor on it. Don't know if this is an are you have electric available :), but the sudden light helps deter the critters.

Hi, Diane! here's the first thing on Internet when I search for "badger damage prevention" http://www.downgardenservices.org.uk/badgers.htm However, as you can see if this address works as a link (if not, hopefully you can "cut and paste" to view it),this is the European badger, Meles meles that I would be dealing with. Dingo2001,I did see a battery-operated device, but fear that the cost would end up being excessive:since the area to be protected is so large,I would need several,and there's no guarentte that they'd even work. The aa sulphate stuff cost me 30 euros , shipping included,so if it proves useless, it's not a huge loss. Thanks for the tip, vasue!

I wouldn't cut it down to the graft. I would half all the green stems and give the rose at least the amended soil.

The best time for really severe pruning is at the end of winter. If you try that now, the bugs or bunnies may get all the new growth, and kill the plant. In my experience, roses regenerate just fine if you take out one or two of the oldest canes, and let the plant replace them with new ones. If it gets too close to winter, the new growth will be very tender, and won't survive winter unless carefully protected. I have protected new growth successfully by burying basal breaks in lots of soil.

The garage will be painted a deep charcoal gray so I can get away with almost any color really...I will def go for the trellis' to accommodate the climbers id center under window and let go up and around. I love all the roses that have been mentioned but I cant seem to find any for sale online they're all sold out??

Nessdizzle,

I'm new to roses, too! Last summer I got the itch to have my home be covered in roses & the below pictures are where I'm at now!

Below is William Baffin, a hardy, vigorous climber that would do well in zone 5 & easily cover that wall (mine is against a west facing wall). This pic was taken this spring, during its first flush:

Next I got Ramblin' Red (planted this spring), which I have on my south-facing garage wall. Hardy to zone 3 & supposedly cane hardy, as well. He really seems to love the heat & all day sun. This pic I just took today - it's the beginning of its second flush of the season:

The below pic is of the diy trellis I whipped up in a snap. I didn't want to spend the $ on a trellis & couldn't find one I liked anyway. I wanted the blooms to be the focal point, not the trellis, and hopefully when William is more mature, the trellis won't be visible. Also, I took this pic before trellis was secured underground, but you get the idea!

This is one section of the trellis, I have more pieces like it that I can add on as it grows.

I fell in love with Eden but don't have a spot for her just yet. The color & form of her blooms are gorg.

Also, what I've found from lots of online research is some climbers might have a hard time on southern exposure wall with radiant heat, especially against a dark background. Ramblin' Red & Baffin have been just fine so far, though.

My husband brought home Above & Beyond today, which is an apricot colored climber cane hardy to zone 4 (supposedly). Can't tell you much more about it, though, obviously. ;)

I've also been checking varieties online lately & most are sold out since it's not really "rose planting season." Most are shipped bare root while they're dormant & are planted in early spring & fall. If you can find a nursery that ships banded pots, you can plant (almost) anytime during summer. :)

Nic

Good to hear it's not just me, Susan! At least we can make it survive. Summer - I totally appreciate another zone pusher, it's just good to know who needs pampering ahead of time. For what it's worth, I don't find that the following roses you list take any special care in my zone 5 - they're not cane hardy but they've survived and regrown well in spring: Mme. Caroline Testout cl, Excellenz von Schubert (can be cane hardy) and Perle d'Or. I had Sombreuil but it wasn't robust, and it probably would have preferred a little more pampering.

Cynthia

We low numbers are an optimistic bunch

Someone on another thread said to gather them up using a shop vac. Maybe a dust buster fully charged would work. At least it would be hands free (until you have to empty that sucker out) eeek

oh, it was tulle that i put over the Breck's Rose. LOL!

Dripworks is old problematic technology. In-line drip is the only way to go. Much less problems and maintenance issues. Much better distribution of the water in the soil. There's a product called Netafim that was developed in Israel. Toro and Rainbird also have a version. The Rainbird version has better adapters. Forget HD on this one. Go to your professional irrigation store to do it right. Your investment will pay off easily.

I have been using DripWork systems for 20 years in both my own and client gardens. I use a variety of in-line drip, sprays and individual emitters. Drip works has a good variety of in-line drips in both 1/2 and 1/4 in lines, with various spacing. I keep a tool box of spare parts so I don't have to run to the store/order all the time. I haven't kept up with newer systems because I'm retired now, so it's just my system. I currently have 450 roses plus other plants on drip. Here are a few tips:

You can pull 300 gallons on one line--ie, 300 1-gal emitters, 600 1/2 gal emitters, however many in-line emitters--whatever combination.

Be sure it is a closed system, ie, that it loops back onto itself so the water continuously circulates. If it is just one long line, you will lose pressure at the end of the line.

Orbit makes the best automatic, battery-operated best timers; they come in a variety of sizes. But I also use the cheap wind up timers for a couple of beds and I always keep one on hand in case something goes wrong with an automatic timer.

"Southlake is removing and replacing more than 5,400 rosebushes in medians and parks because of the disease. Costs could reach $500,000, city officials have said."

So, $100 per bush? Calm down princess. And yes, replace them with something else.

I guess they are factoring the cost of not just the rose, but paying someone to plant them and probably the cost of adding amendments to the soil as well. I think they feel like they cannot be without roses so they'd rather replace them. But there has to be some sort of variety that is perhaps resistant? Replacing them with the same varieties seems futile.

Canina hasn't really been used as a root stock in the uk for a long time. It is possible that it was rootstock, one of the gardens down the road from me has standard roses on a thorny rootstock, (I can tell because I wince at the suckers everytime I walk past the house!) but more likely it's a birdsown wildling - I have one growing up through a rhododendron, and I like the effect, so it stays.
Given that you say it's got ambitions to colonise the path already, I suspect that might be a checkmark in the remove column, given the increased light, food, water that comes with you actively tending the garden, it's likely to get more and more octopus-y as time goes on.

Can you post pictures of your rose? Is it still in bloom?

I hope to fill my rose garden with highly fragrant roses. I have several rose bushes, but my fragrant ones are Intrigue, Tiffany, Double Delight, Dark Desire, Abe Darby, Blue For You, Sheila's Prfume, and Fragrant Cloud all of which I love. But the two that I love the most in smell alone is Sharifa Asma and Quiteness. Both of these are also beautiful, but I can't get enough of the smell. I can just stand in the garden and feel intoxicated. They are wonderful. However, SA isn't doing so well, as some kind of root mats is over taking it. I hope to find another.

I bought most of my roses (before Cool Roses had their sale) either online, or as a bare root plant from a box store. In my stupidity I didn't realize that all roses didn't smell the same. I thought a rose had a rose fragrance. But the day that I opened up my shipment from Chamblee's and Sharifa Asma had a tiny little bloom that engulfed the entire room.... I said I need to be paying more attention to the fragrance. I was so happy to find Cool Roses so that now I can get a 'whiff' before I purchase. I think it is imperative because I had my eye on a couple that I thought I would love only to find out that I didn't like how they smelled. Just like some people don't like the Myrrh scent I found out that I abhor the Tea scent.

Now I need to figure out what Damask smells like.

To my nose Tiffany's fragrance has the same note as Munstead Wood and Frederic Mistral. Crimson Glory smells somewhere between Ebb Tide and Fragrant Cloud, sort of Ebb Tide with an additional anise note.

I agree with michaelg and diane_nj. I use dead-heading as a time to remove some of the leggy growth.

I agree with all the previous comments, and while you can prune to encourage a rose to bush out more, yours already look fairly nicely branched on the lower canes. Ch-ching does have that tall cane sprouting out, but it looks like they really want to bloom on higher bushes in your zone than the 3' you're targeting. Most hybrid teas prefer to bloom at 4-5' in warmer zones, and pruning them lower might get bushier branches but not necessarily blooms that stay at those heights. However, it's worth a try since you couldn't move them in California till winter months anyway. Just remember that wherever you prune a cane is where it STARTS to bush out from, so don't expect it to stay at the pruned height. In fact, pruning right at 3' would probably have it forming a "candelabra" effect from that 3' height and have an even bigger clump of canes shooting up to its preferred height.

Cynthia

I've had that rose for quite a few years ... just this year it's doing all these different flowers I've never seen before...I shouldn't be so surprised about the plsnts in my yard anymore... I own my late grandmother's house which has been in the family since it was built in 1950's. I've seen many odd plants over the years. Including my heirloom naturally cross bred pink and yellow 4 o'clock seeds. :)

Could the basic plant be a 'Chicago Peace' that has reverted back to 'Peace' on one stem? If you are not used to seeing light yellow and cream rimmed with light pink, it isn't a plant of 'Peace'.