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nikthegreek(9b/10a E of Athens, Greece)

Are sucrates the same as sulphates? I doubt it.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:25AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Oops, I'm half blind. I'll erase my post.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:40AM
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Gary(USDA ZONE = 9b SUNSET ZONE = 18 (Riverside, CA, USA))

I just finished re-planting about 10 roses to new (uncrowded) locations in my garden. Because it gets below freezing here only a couple of days each winter, I planted them with the union above the soil. (2 of those roses had Dr Huey canes so I ripped them off and planted the grafted parts)

3 other roses had been taken over by Dr. Huey (no grafted parts remain) so I trashed those roses.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:13AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

In zone 9, I would expose the graft so that suckers are immediately identified as such. Also the fleshy roots are at the depth they grew at in the field. When roots of Huey are panted too deep, it may slow development of the plant for a while. On digging such plants, I've seen a beard of fine roots growing out of the shank with little development of the original fleshy roots.

In my zone it's best to bury the graft slightly.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 11:26AM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

It is gorgeous! If you want it to look more orderly now, pull the parts where you want them and use a little plant wire to secure them. Then you won't have to prune! I do that all the time with my roses and other tall plants/climbers that respond well to it :)

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 11:11PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you everyone. I think I'm convinced, other than maybe doing what Meredith suggested, I'm going to leave it alone.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 10:04AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I only covered the new greenhouse roses I just got and planted from RU just in case... Our other roses are established so those temps would not hurt those roses...

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 5:21AM
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summersrhythm_z6a

We hit 34 over here, pretty cool

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 9:52AM
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Beth zone 8a Dallas, TX

It has no fragrance to me whereas the normal orange blooms have a slight fragrance. It is very pretty though and I'd love to have a full bush of it. If I take a cutting of the stem and by a miracle I can get it to root will it root as this rose or just as the original color?

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 6:22AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

I would mark the cane with a ribbon and see what it does in the next flush. Some sports are stable, while others revert back quickly. If it is a stable sport, that whole stem back to the mother cane and out to future growth will produce the new flower..

Most roses are hard to root unless you have experience and the right equipment, so there is danger of wasting it. I would entrust the cuttings to an expert, or better yet, someone who us skilled at bud grafting. If it is a stable sport, you need to act before winter. Contact your local ARS chapter to learn who is the best propagator around.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 8:27AM Thanked by Beth zone 8a Dallas, TX
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mzstitch(Zone 7b South Carolina)

Summer snow?

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 3:41AM
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ozmelodye(Z10 S-E Australia)

I happened to be going through my newest rose catalogue, and I found another two Kordes roses which might be possibilities. They are Diamant( Diamond,White Sunsation, Brilliant vigorosa) and Heidesommer.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2015 at 6:22AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

You will be pleased with the plant Burling sends. She's my "go to" nursery in the West.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2015 at 6:42PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Long Ago Rose nursery also has it.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 9:20PM
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cadiarose(zone 7a, NJ)

Yup, what Seil said, since watering will be your main issue. Here in NJ, I lose anything I don't plant into the ground before winter, so I'd choose to plant it. If your bed is going to be too dry, then potting it may be a better choice.

I planted a Disneyland this spring too, can't wait til it flowers!

1 Like    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 5:14PM
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vp_78

Ok so if I plant in a container, I've read I should use a mix of potting soil, compost and perlite. Any advice here?

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 6:50PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Summersrhythm, just wanted you to know that I appreciate your posts as much as everyone else's, because they have started discussions that may have enlightened many people, myself included.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 5:31PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Thanks Jasminerose! :-)

Karen, I started a rose midge thread, hope someone will help us. :-)

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 6:12PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, Gary, the $64,000.00 question! I've seen Paul Zimmerman's video and he uses two shovels to pick up the ball and move it but he takes a rather small root ball in my opinion. I just try to pick it up as best I can and put it either on a tarp or in a wheel barrow to make the move.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 5:02PM
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Gary(USDA ZONE = 9b SUNSET ZONE = 18 (Riverside, CA, USA))

I'll use the two-shovel method.

When I'm replanting the roses in their new locations, should the bud unions be above, below or at the soil level? (The bud unions of some of the roses were below the soil level when I dug them out of the ground and some of the roses have growth from the Dr. Huey rootstocks).

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 5:49PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Cynthia, I think you might get more response over on Antiques. They're really good at IDs even if it's a modern rose.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 5:03PM
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Kayla

So they will germinate and start coming out of the soil in the fridge? I was just going to take them out after 3 months but i guess I will keep an eye on them to see if they germinate early. I will do the paper towel method next time.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 7:17AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Mine usually do germinate in the fridge but as I said I use the paper towel method. If they don't germinate in there than I would indeed take them out after the 3 months and put them in a warm and well lit area.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 4:59PM
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lennon2(6b - Providence, RI)


Michaelg, I don't think there's a swelling at the base of this twinned base -- if there is, it's to the left, where there's a wide place. There is new growth from this base.

Are you suggesting severe pruning?
It rebloomed, but If I were to replace it, I'd prefer fulltime blooming.

Alt-replacement idea: Deep red. American wisteria is on the other side of that arbor.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 8:49AM
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seil zone 6b MI

I hesitate to say a hard pruning because I killed my Dublin Bay that way. I blew up your photo and I do see some growth here and there up the canes. I would suggest you start at the tips and clip off a piece looking for a good clear and moist greenish white center and work you way down removing only the wood that isn't healthy. Then wait a bit. It hasn't really been all that warm for very long and it might just need some extended warmth to kick start it. We have just come out of two successive bad winters and a lot of roses are sort of in shock I think.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 4:53PM Thanked by lennon2
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madri_gw(5)

These are the pictures of my charisma. Very cold hardy in my area and a lovely bush.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 9:37AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Yes, I think it's Charisma too.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 4:45PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh so sorry to hear this, Vickie! Yes, cut off any dead growth and water, Water, WATER it. You need to wash the plant thoroughly and flush the soil. Don't fertilize it either. Just keep it watered and be patient. It should recover.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2015 at 4:40PM
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