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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Hi again, Kim,

Up here nothing is going on in the garden--all looks gloomy and dead, but I know it isn't. Things are just sleeping, but it's hard to be patient. We have a short, intense growing season.

I'm glad you were able to obtain bud wood from a friend. What will you be doing with the grafted plant now that it has taken? Will you be crossing Blue Bayou in the future with something else? What if you came up with the ultimate blue rose? I've thought of that quite a bit, and wonder if it could be done. The rose world would beat a path to your door.

Is it legal to cross a rose like, say, Augusta Luise (Tantau) that is still under patent with another rose to produce something new? I'm very uninformed about this kind of thing. I mention this rose because I think it is so unique and might produce more unique offspring. It's all so intriguing.

Have fun with Blue Bayou and all your other projects.

Diane

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 11:00PM
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roseseek

Hi Diane, thank you! I was thinking of taking the healthiest lavender/mauve and crossing it with the healthiest copper/apricot/amber to see what might be accomplished in the tan/russet shades. There are a few which come to mind to use, but we'll see how they progress. Oh, yes, it is legal to use patented varieties for breeding, unless you happen to have one which contains a patented gene. Not that they "created" the gene, they've simply moved it from one genus of plant to another and we mistakenly permitted them to be patented. So far, the only rose known to contain such a gene is Applause, the "blue" florist rose, which isn't blue. There are newer contracts being written for new roses being released for testing and distribution which demand the return of any mutations and promising seedlings obtained or discovered by the distributors and testers to the originator of the variety. Fortunately, those don't pertain to you and me, the end purchasers who wish to explore and experiment with them. Good luck being patient until spring! That isn't something I think I would be very good at! Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: Applause

    Bookmark   January 28, 2015 at 1:36AM
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How do you like Bernstein Rose?Nanadoll? Others?
Posted by redwolfdoc_z5(5) March 6, 2014
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

Wow, I have never seen roses like yours, Diane. They are gorgeous and almost otherworldly to me, very sculptural. I think it is one of the things that we don't often see for those of us living up in colder climates. I may have asked you before but are those just one individual rose plant especially the JC?

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 9:53PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Hi, JJ,

Thank you so much for those nice comments. I give Julia all the credit.

There is one Julia plant on each side of the sidewalk. The Bernstein-Rose plants are below the Julias and much smaller. I love both roses, but Julia outblooms Bernstein-- and everything else, for that matter.

Diane

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 11:07PM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

from reading the reviews. Dead plants, even shipped free, are worthless

If you want cheap try your local box store for when they first put out bare roots.

Or look at websites like Chamblee's, Heirloom Roses, Rogue Valley Roses orAntique Rose Emporium.

Your look at options at weeks roses or other modern rose sellers. You can always ask here about a certain plant in your area or retailer. But half a star is probably the lowest rated seller I have seen online.

FYI skip the rose seeds on EBay as well, roses do not come true from seeds

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 1:14PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Sounds a lot like my all time favorite rip-off place, Growquest! Your first clue that this isn't the best place to purchase roses is the fact that they only name them by color and don't use the real names of the roses. Reputable online rose nurseries will always tell you the exact names of the roses they sell. Even if they are inexpensive or on sale the good places name them.

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 6:09PM
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Marlorena(Z8-9 England)

..I wonder if that might be 'Chevy Chase'..... it's a once bloomer, but quite startling...

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 3:20PM
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jacqueline9CA

Hope you get some local responses. Otherwise, you could try one and let us know! From the pics on HMF, I am afraid that the blooms look like ones which ball in my garden, and we are way less humid than Florida.

Jackie

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 1:55PM
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

Thanks Jerijen, Diane & Dan. It make a lot of sense Jeri after you explain it in that perspective. I guess I never thought about genetics in plants. I only think about it in human terms. I guess I took it for granted. I always assume that the seedlings would be "similar" in appearance to the parents and would inherit any mutations as well. I guess in modern terms, cuttings would be its "clone" if you want the exact plant. Makes perfect sense now. It makes more sense now after many readings that refer to when hybridists wanted to "create" new plants through its "seedlings" by pollination. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 9:02PM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

BobbieJay, if it stays Pink and subsequent blooms on that branch are pink as well, CLONE IT. You may have a sport.
If it goes back to yellow, enjoy her as she is.

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 2:04AM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

OH I hope they sell Chihuly here in WA at the box store, that would be a find! Got Marmalade Skies there last year, but they wanted full nursery price. I got it anyway.
BTW- your Gigi is SO cute! I hope she continues to do well and bring you joy.

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 1:44AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Wow!! That's a seriously gorgeous rose!!
Love, love it!!
Carol

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 1:48AM
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smithdale(8)

Well, perhaps I've jumped the gun but I've pruned 3 of my well-established roses, one old Hybrid Tea & 2 White Meidillands. I've noticed that my Rugosas haven't broken dormancy yet but everything else has. I live in coastal W.WA, hope I don't regret my early pruning but they seemed to need it, breaking out everywhere.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 10:06PM
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frenchcuffs13(z8a)

Hi to all fellow western Washington rose lovers! I have to admit- I got the itch too!
Red Intuition was leafing and I had a Neil Diamond and Veterans's honor waiting to be planted.
It may be too early and as Morz8 said, we might still get a freeze. Yes I know better but couldn't help it!
Perhaps I'l regret it later, but let's cross our fingers we'll continue on with this mild winter and feel lucky we're not back east.

    Bookmark   January 27, 2015 at 1:40AM
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

Hi there, welcome back to the forum. It is nice to meet you. I wish you all the best on your new job. Unfortunately I don't live close to you or to your zone but I think it is nice for you to offer your roses for people who wants to grow them. Please let us know how things are in the near future, especially in the new area where I hope you will still grow roses. Good luck.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 8:56PM
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kasiec

Hello Azurerose - you have mail.

Kasie

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 11:56PM
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krissa

Thanks, I was wondering how high to prune. And thanks for the tip about the fertilizer.

I'll baby them, hopefully they make it through. They will look very pretty on my hillside. Hoping for a mild summer.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 6:57PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Water them very well the day before you move them. On the day dig your holes in the new spots first. Then dig them out and move them quickly to their new homes. You can use a wheel barrow or drag them on a tarp to so you only have to handle the root ball as little as possible. As Jackie said water them in very well and keep them watered, but not soggy wet, for the first week. Don't panic if there is some wilt at first, that's fairly normal, but they should perk back up within a few days to a week. Good luck and let us know how it goes when you do it!

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 11:33PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Sister Elizabeth is beautiful and I love its cool lilac-pink color but it may do better if you can provide some afternoon shade. Still, worth trying even without the shade, since mine was planted in what is probably the hottest area of the garden near large, heat-reflecting boulders and that's not a fair test for any rose. I moved it later but then it was in too shady a spot. I hope to try it again some day. Young Lycidas is said to be a very unruly bush which grows every which way. I wouldn't know since mine hasn't grown much at all. The flowers are gorgeous, though. I'm now trying Charles Rennie McIntosh which is also supposed to be a rich lilac-pink color but it's just a small own-root plant at this point.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 5:53PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

I forgot to add that two Austins that are excellent in hot and dry climates are Bishop's Castle and Carding Mill. BS is also very fragrant, and CM blooms almost constantly, even in the heat.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 5:55PM
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toolbelt68(7)

cnet.com has some good info on adblock. I installed it and haven't had a single one pop up. Just do a search on adblock at cnet.com.

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 12:25PM
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campv

Well GW is stating how to get rid of the popups but how did they start? I have not had any for a least a year and now they are everywhere on this site.
So what's up Garden Webb??????

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 4:54PM
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roseseek

It's "granular" where the growth on your rose is smooth. I don't think you have anything to worry about. Kim

    Bookmark   January 21, 2015 at 10:36PM
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lettyozzy

Thanks for the advice everyone :)

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 12:36PM
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dan_keil_cr Keil(Illinois z5)

One thing you want to do with a new bush is to cover the canes and pile it high over the canes. The rose has no roots on it yet. It has no way to replace the moisture lost. The mulch helps protect the canes.
The other thing you can do is to use Wiltpruf.

Dan Keil
ARS Q&A

    Bookmark   January 25, 2015 at 10:49PM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

I've started using cardboard,too,and am finding it very helpful,though i do see Jeri and Kim's point.Here in Tuscany the pattern tends to be for rain in autumn /winter, and a very dry spring/ summer,so what I am aiming for is to get as much as possible of my garden covered up with cardboard BEFORE THE SOIL DRIES OUT. Last year I found that the cardboard, when covered by organic matter, broke down extremely fast; I had to re-mulch two or three times at least. This year, my ideal aim would be to do my first mulching with the main idea of conserving the moisture. This will rot away too quickly to be of much help once bindweed season really gets underway in summer,so I'll have to re-do the whole thing then. But my main goal is to try to basically prevent my soil from drying out for as long as possible into the summer months,and to try to get control of the bindweed and some of the worst, most aggressive perennial weeds,and I don't think I could do that without the help of the cardboard..

    Bookmark   January 26, 2015 at 4:13AM
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gcotterl(9)

This morning, I ripped all of the gazanias and weeds from my garden (alas, there's soil underneath!!!!).

While I was working around my yellow rose, I noticed the TAG!!! (I must've been blind in November).

My yellow rose is a Ch-Ching!

    Bookmark   January 25, 2015 at 7:53PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Don't feel bad. I'm always hunting for my tags, lol. I'm glad you solved your mystery!

    Bookmark   January 25, 2015 at 8:40PM
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