22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses


I think it's time that we should cool down. Take a step back and remember to be kind to each other.
We should remember that on the other end of a posted message is a human being and the ways we say things may hurt someone's feeling no matter how right we think we are. We share the knowledge of what we know and let people make their own judgments of what will work best for them. I feel confident that we are "old" enough to make that call.

I concur Bayarea. My sentiments were intended to parallel yours. Henry, I am not in disagreement with your points and your story resonates with all of us, I'm sure. Buford, I see your point completely. The transmission of RRD is a serious matter as are the effects of the usage of dangerous chemicals.


I do wish for large roses since it is hard to grow them that large in my climate. But I don't think I want to tackle a huge monster no matter how beautiful. With regards to Thorns, it can't be much worst than Jude the Obscure, New Dawn, or Gertrude Jekyll.

I have a New Dawn that is about 7 feet tall on my arbor. I give it very little care and it has very little die back from winter. I live in 5b in north Mo just a few miles from southern Iowa. I have had it about 5 years maybe not sure.


Kate: I really love your Jubilee photo. I just got that one this spring. I hope it looks like yours someday!
I am planning to put my JC by a bench so hopefully I will be able to enjoy the nodding flowers if it doesn't get too tall.

Thanks so much, everyone!!! I did take a look at it again, but I didn't see *anything,* (well except for there are still aphids around...) so I don't know what to think. I will look up some thrip pictures and at least I will know what to look for. I didn't see any spider-y looking things either.
It is in a version of 5-1-1. As close as I could get to it anyhow. So, it's mostly bark chips. I may have overfertilized I suppose -- I put in Osmo Plus when I planted it and I put on fish emulsion every week or so. (Someone said the proliferation could be a sign of too much fert -- so maybe that's chewing the leaves too? I'll stop with the emulsion for a while.)
Thanks again! I really appreciate the help.


The last year that I had them really bad, I filled up about 10 of the beetle bags in less than a week! I used them in conjunction with hand picking. I hope I never have them that bad again. They devastated a peach tree that was covered with huge peaches almost ready to pick in one morning! The next year I used milk jugs with the bait inside and only filled it up partially. The last few years I have only had a few. I figure I prevented millions of JB from being born.


Did I say any differently? Sulfate reduction during boggy conditions results in lowered pH when the soil dries up because, as you mention, the reduced sulphur gets oxidized. Indicative of boggy conditions is the rotten egg smell of hydrogen sulfide. Also, did I say any differently with regards to the ammonium or aluminum reactions?



I'm talking about rocks. My soil is very rocky, and over the years as I've worked on it, I've dug up tons of them. many are very large and quite flat, so I can definitely see them as being appropriate stepping stones. I guess my thought was that, since the paths in question are already mulched with cardboard and on top of that, wood chips,the chips would help do the "bedding in" job. Maybe it would work???




I hope all your babies surprise you and come back strong! It is heartbreaking to lose those rare beauties. Good luck and do keep us posted on how they're doing.
You sure worked hard, trying to save them!!! Great job!!! That was quite the ordeal for you.
Carol