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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Thanks, iris gal. No, they are about the same height as the fence (nine feet). It varies from year to year, depending on how much I prune and other factors. They really got whacked last year.
It's very dry here, so I don't know how they would perform in a hot, humid zone. I wouldn't recommend Brother Cadfael--he does a lot of balling when it get very hot. I think it's important for his blooms to open before the real heat sets in. Jude blooms more, and the blooms open better in our weather. Both roses have wonderful scent. Diane

    Bookmark   January 15, 2015 at 1:34AM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

Thanks. Didn't know if the 9ft was only for the stone portion and the snaps
were 4 ft. tall :-)
Whew!

    Bookmark   January 15, 2015 at 1:59AM
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caflowerluver

Sorry for the delay in replying but I just came back to the post. I checked the box to have the replies sent to me but they never arrived.

Here is a list of legal roses that I will have cuttings to trade:

Old Garden Roses
Aimee Vibert Scandens (1828)Climber 9-15ft.; White Noisette; Repeats; Musk fragrance
Duchesse de Brabant (1857)Tea; Lt. Pink Cupped Double; Repeats; Strong Tea fragrance
Felicite et Perpetue (1827)Rambler 15-20ft.; White/Pink; Blooms once; Mild fragrance

Hybrid Tea & Others
Bewitched (1967) Hybrid Tea, Bright Pink, Damask fragrance
Brandy (1982) Hybrid Tea, Apricot, Mild Sweet Tea fragrance
Brass Band (1993) Floribunda; Tree, Apricot Orange, Mild Damask fragrance
Double Delight (1977) Hybrid Tea, Dk. Pink/Cream, Strong Spicy fragrance
French Lace (1982) Floribunda, Pinkish White, Mild Spicy fragrance
Heirloom (1972) Hybrid Tea, Lilac, Strong fragrance
JFK (1965) Hybrid Tea, White, Strong fragrance
Joseph's coat (1969) Floribunda Climber, Red/Orange blend Moderate, fruity fragrance
Mister Lincoln (1964) Hybrid Tea, Deep Red, Strong fragrance
Oranges & Lemons (1994) Floribunda Hybrid Tea, Orange & orange blend striped blooms; Mild fragrance
Paradise (1978)Hybrid Tea, Purple & Pink bi-color, Strong Rose fragrance
Snowfire (1970) Hybrid Tea, White reverse, red top, Mild fragrance - FEW CUTTINGS
Sterling Silver (1957) Hybrid Tea, Lilac, Strong Citrus Sweet fragrance -FEW CUTTINGS
Sundowner (1978) Apricot, Grandiflora, Strong fragrance
Tropicana (1960) Hybrid Tea, Coral Orange, Strong Fruity fragrance

Got the information from HMF. Anyone interested?
Clare

    Bookmark   January 14, 2015 at 2:49PM
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kathy9norcal

I have been hard at work pruning and don't have many unpruned roses left. Too bad, maybe next year. I am trying to root a yellow sport of Chicago Peace this winter. I usually have good luck rooting cuttings outside in winter.

    Bookmark   January 15, 2015 at 1:35AM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Too funny, SJN. He's a beautiful guy and I think he knows it. He must make some good fertilizer for you :)

    Bookmark   January 11, 2015 at 9:23PM
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sultry_jasmine_nights (Florida 9a)

Thanks jasminerose4u ! Yep we get a lot of chicken fertilizer around here and they eat lots of bugs too :)
~SJN

    Bookmark   January 14, 2015 at 7:33PM
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

I always wanted Roberta Bondar since I have read good reviews of it.

Diane/Nanadoll, what do you feed your roses. All of your roses are picture perfect. Do you have any "regular" roses in your garden at all?

    Bookmark   January 13, 2015 at 9:37PM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Haha--we don't take pics of "regular roses" around here, and if a mistake is made and we do, those pics go in a buried vault, never to see the light of day. I'll dig up one to show you.
I use all kinds of fertilizer. My favorite are the "Tones"--Rose Tone, Plant Tone, etc, whatever I can get my hands on in a 36 pound bag and for the cheapest price. I use manure and compost in combination, too, and cheap granular fertilizer (just once a year on that type). Thinking of eliminating it. Let's see if I can find a "regular" rose pic. Diane

    Bookmark   January 14, 2015 at 1:02AM
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caflowerluver

I always go to that rose garden for Mother's Day or around that time. It is so incredible when they are all in bloom. How does someone volunteer to help prune? I am in Aptos by the coast but could drive over to San Jose. What happens to all those cuttings?
Clare

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 4:04PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Congratulations, and that's an intriguing way of coaching new volunteers not to prune the roses too low. The wooden stakes are probably reusable year after year, and they help avoid people's poor estimates of about "three feet" or whatever the pruning target might be.

I suppose there's unlikely to be anything blooming by the end of January is there, even in San Jose? I'll be there for work at the end of January/first of February and I'd love to see the gardens, but I fear they'd still be in down times. Well done regardless on a truly daunting task.

Cynthia

    Bookmark   January 13, 2015 at 10:21PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

OK, I admit to being so rose-o-centric that I saw this title thinking these were names of roses, and I clicked on it with great excitement wondering what color "Steel Arbour" was going to be. That elusive grey-beige color, but deeper? At first glance it sounded better than a rose called Vinyl Arbour would be, though I could see it passing as a creamy beige. It sounds like you're getting some nice advice and steel wins the picture as well for ACTUAL arbors. If you ever decide to hybridize a Steel Arbor, however, do let us know.

Cynthia

    Bookmark   January 13, 2015 at 6:46PM
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

Well Cynthia, if I should ever hybridize any rose, I will name it after you...lol.

Again, thank you all for your input. Much appreciated.

I thought you guys should know that I came across an article whose author said that avoid aluminum and iron arbours because they will rust. Steel arbour is the way to go. Having said that evidently the current vinyl arbour sold by Home depot and Lowes is supposed to be very "weather resistant". Either way, both has pros and cons, it comes to a matter of personal preference.

    Bookmark   January 13, 2015 at 9:23PM
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sam 4b Adirondacks

Thank you Steve the videos on the YouTube page were great.

    Bookmark   January 8, 2015 at 3:30PM
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erin1000

I think you are talking about the BBC show"The Great British Garden Revival." IT had segments on many types of gardens. It is having a second season at the moment and the first episode of the second series is on roses, same presenter, this time more emphasis on old roses.

I love British gardening shows, they are so much better than anything in USA at the moment. If you subscribe to Garden World youtube site, you will have a huge variety to choose from.

    Bookmark   January 13, 2015 at 3:14PM
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caflowerluver

The roses that I get he most blooms from and are always blooming are Bewitched, Scentimental, Brass Band, Tropicana, Angel Face, Josephs Coat, Paradise, Julia Renaissance, Oranges & Lemons, and Double Delight.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 11:38AM
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Jim_in_AV

World War II Memorial, hands down.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 11:03PM
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jacqueline9CA

Patience is a virtue. I have had climbing roses which did not bloom at all or a lot for their first 4 Springs, then exploded in bloom the next year, and every year thereafter. Some climbing roses just do not think about blooming until they think they have achieved the correct height - go figure. How tall is it? HMF says it gets up to 12 feet, but their numbers are usually way low for warm climates, so perhaps it wants to be taller - the rose will decide (if you give it a chance).

I think feeding it is a good idea - in your climate, I might even feed it now, but be sure to follow the directions so that you do not burn it. Then you need to WAIT. It would be a shame if you shovel prune it in March, having wasted 3 years, when you only had to wait one more...

Assuming it is getting enough sun and water, you will eventually be rewarded with bloom, and it will be worth it!

Jackie

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 4:54PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Yeah, I agree with Jackie -- go ahead and feed it.

It may just be that it's not going to bloom much until it gets to be as big as it wants to be. But I've also had very tall Shrub Roses that just NEVER produced much bloom, here at the coast, because they stubbornly require a bit more cold than we can offer them.

Jeri
Coastal Ventura Co., SoCal

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 6:32PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

The two are SO different!

Hermosa was a good rose in my conditions, but I didn't get as much bloom as I'd have liked, from it -- not as much bloom, say, as a "pure" China. But it's a GREAT rose, and a long-lived one. We find it everywhere, in old cemeteries.

Snowbird, now -- what a survivor that is!

There's an old house in the San Fernando Valley with a row of decades-neglected Snowbirds. This was one of the top show roses of the 30's-40's, and man, you can see why. It'll bloom its heart out, and has no disease in Southern California.

That one in the Valley was collected as "Louise Ave. White HT," and it now grows in the Sacramento City Cemetery. They're going to offer it at Open Garden, in April. I might even buy another one, myself.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 4:16PM
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caflowerluver

I agree with your sentiments. My roses are still putting out buds even though we had a few nights in the 30's. My brugs didn't do so well and some died back to the ground. Also happened to my Hawaiian White Ginger. I love my roses because I always get lots of blooms for all the work I do. Not true for other flowers I have grown.
Clare

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 11:28AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

I don't exactly have the tropical plant problems you have, but I agree about roses--they are mostly tough. Mine survive 100 degree days in the summers and winters with single digit temps, and I've never lost a one. For a tropical look up here, i grow hardy hibiscus, and I love them. Diane

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 2:50PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

It's not the problem of virus living in the soil so much as leaving roots behind after a dig out.

The virus can live in the roots that might be left behind.

Root to root transmission of viruses in rose bushes has been proved by Giolino and others (and it's published in refereed journals). It hasn't been proved to happen for RRD infected roses, yet. But I have seen that infected roots of very large roses can put up RRD infected roses several feet from the dug out bush, when we thought we had dug out all of the roots.

For a two or three year old rose, the root mass probably isn't going to be massive. But do leave a little time for the roots to come back. (See all the Dr. Huey that comes back when we've dug out what we thought were all the roots.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 1:39PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

Ann, Dr. Whitcomb said that if there were roots left, they could not graft or spread the virus to the new plant. I'm just going by what he said. Of course you have to try to get all the roots and it may be a good idea to wait to see what comes up (especially if it's Dr. Huey rootstock).

BTW, I met some members of your society. Sorry you couldn't make it.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 2:11PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

Dr. Windham also spoke at the joint Deep South District and Carolina District Mid Winter Meeting this past weekend. I'm sure it's similar to the link above. But the advice is to remove bushes with RRD immediately. Also things that are being worked on are a 'stick' type test for RRD, natural predators, some miticides that show promise and the new grant for RRD Research. And as always, constant vigilance in your own garden is the best preventive to keep RRD from devastating your roses.

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 12:26PM
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floridarosez9

I blew it, too. I swore to myself I wouldn't order any until I had planted everything in the pot ghetto--until Roses Unlimited notified they were shipping a replacement rose and did I want to add some to the box. And you know how that goes.

Jay, my Baronne Prevost had buds for the first time. I've been eagerly awaiting the opening, but when I went out this morning, two of my horses had gotten out and chomped off all the buds--Rose blooms are like crack to my two Tennessee Walkers. I'm still steamed.

    Bookmark   January 9, 2015 at 7:47PM
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bethnorcal9

Well I just blew it again. Ordered from Regans now. Well, I have an excuse, sort of. We have to have our septic system replaced, and need to have two very large trees cut down beforehand. Had to dig out about 60 roses in two beds in order not to lose them when the trees go down. Plus we're not sure exactly where the leach lines are going. (most likely right where the larger bed was) Anyway, in the process of digging out the roses, I discovered I lost a few of them. One was ROCK 'N' ROLL. So of course I have to replace it, and had to order two more to make it worth the shipping, and get the 10% off. So I also ordered BIG MOMMA which I just fell in love with after seeing Sara-Ann's pic in the "B Roses" thread in the Gallery. And the third one was yet another replacement attempt at SILVER STAR. (it always dies on me) One of the other roses that died I'll have to order from Roses Unlimited. But I think I'll wait a bit and figure out what else I want (but don't really need)....

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 1:58AM
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iowa_jade(C 5b H 6)

I would keep a shovel handy. If after two years it is still moping, place the shovel by the plant. After three years use the shovel. The rose store is still open.
I agree it is best to compost from the top down. Let the earthworms do the digging for you.
I try and pick a rose with a zone or two hardiness than the zone I live in (in my case the Mudwest.)
Contact your local ARS rose club ( there are a few left) and pick their brains. Keep in mind many of them are HT nuts.
I like Standing Perpetually. You may not.
What ever sets your heart afire.

Here is a link that might be useful: Stanwell Perpetual

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 12:20AM
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iowa_jade(C 5b H 6)

I wish to retract and apologize for my uncalled for crack about the ARS. I can think of no other organization in the last few years who have tried so hard to broaden their coverage of roses of all sorts.
Give them a try. Their Magazine has lots of good info and advice.
If you are lucky you could join a local organization and get a few ideas, all sorts of stuff.
On second thought, the best advice IMHO that I could give a newcomer to roses would be to join the ARS.

Here is a link that might be useful: four-month trial membership for only $10

    Bookmark   January 12, 2015 at 1:22AM
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