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I'm not sure what you mean by bare and scraggly. Can you post a picture? Is it bare from losing it's leaves from black spot? There are too many questions that need answering before we can give you better info. Normally I wouldn't suggest deep pruning this late in the season, particularly if the temps are very hot, but we'd need to see what's going on to say for sure.
Sorry AnneCecillia SS is serrated check mine. It just seemed more exaggerated. Most of my roses have anthracnose at this point. With all the rain, humidity and cold nights it was bound to get started. Check the bottoms of leaves to see if spots go all the way through. I notice it when I see the center turning silver gray before it falls out.
Do the leaves have little tiny black dots on the back by any chance. It also reminds me of the bacterial disease that asters get. Not sure I've ever seen roses with it thou.
...I tend to agree with Campanula here....in fact I'm surprised I've still got this rose, it's hanging on by the skin of its teeth... albeit I've dug it up and put it in a pot until further notice......I think this rose needs the fullest of sun and moistest of soil... drying out or semi shade will not do...
...the few and far between flowers open a gorgeous rich colour but quickly fade to a rather strange salmon pink, which I couldn't abide I'm afraid...
...goes well with other dumpy roses..
I was thinking to get their "rise and shine", "redwood empire", "Judy Fischer", "Andrea" and "Cinderella" to plant on the strip between the street and sidewalk, as well as the edge of my front yard, for two main reason, one being they are beautiful, and second to keep dogs from pooping all over my lawn. The dog owners in my neighborhood are very irresponsible!
Catspa, can you show picture of your Andrea and redwood? Since you already planted them, I would love to see the real thing. Any problems with any of the roses?
Two causes of puckery, wavy leaves are PM and extremely serious aphid infestation when the shoot was growing out. I have not seen aphid damage as extreme as what we see in the picture. Spider mites can cause curling and drying starting on the lower leaves and progressing upwards. There is pale stippling on the upper surface, in addition to what Beth says.
Something we can't tell from a picture is whether there are blister-shaped bumps on the leaves. While not always present, they are characteristic of PM and not the other things.
I love my JFK. The blooms last a very long time in a vase and are so pretty in arrangements. At least for me they last on the bush too. Our temps have been in the mid 90s for the last three weeks and it is a blooming machine. I didn't have much problem with blackspot either.
The three that I have right now that are thriving in the 90+ temps here are the Chrysler Imperial, the newly-purchased Angel Face, and the miniature Gourmet Popcorn, all of whom are blooming into blossom despite the heat and the near-constant sun. It's surprising to find the CI in this group; she went into a coma last summer.
My Madame Isaac Pereire is also growing and blooming remarkably well in the heat.
Bishop's Castle.
Marie Pavie.
Bolero (but flowers still disfigured by thrips).
Evelyn (hard to tell since tiny new plants, but putting out growth and buds despite the heat).
Best option for the hot and humid Houston climate is supply the roses with some afternoon shade. Then many Austins and other roses will grow happily.
On the other hand, when the temps get up in the 100s for days or weeks or months, most roses will give up and go semi-dormant--until cooler weather (and moisture) return.
Kate
I am in zone 6a, my TG gets about 5x5, it dies back almost to the ground in the winter. I don't know your plant zone, if you're in a warmer zone, it can get big. Budford in GA has a beautiful huge TG, so is Daisy in UK.
My TG is freestanding and about 6 years old. It wants to put out long floppy canes, and never really builds up much substance to hold the branches up, so it takes over more real estate than it might otherwise because it doesn't grow UP much on its own without support. You might try tying her to the fence and letting her grow sideways against that support. I've attached a picture from a few years ago, but even this didn't capture the whole bush. The cane at center left shoots up to about 6' and it's one of the few strong enough to support itself. I routinely chop the canes on her down to about 3' after blooming, and it does seem to be one of the Austins that likes harsh treatment. Still, I find that the pruning helps her bush out but she wants to bloom on long canes. Trying to keep her anything below say 4' would be a challenge and you might not get much bloom.
The good thing about your combination is that Pierre de Ronsard (Eden) is a pretty stiff upright rose for me even without support, and they wouldn't interfere too much with the vertical space for each other. Eden would rise above the TG tangle, and you'd want to bend Eden's canes sideways along your fence as soon as possible when they grow to get lateral canes that bloom, since her canes stiffen up pretty quickly with age. And yes, both of them are probably thornier than average, but not unbearable. I wade into TG all the time to prune her and I haven't bled out yet (smile).
Cynthia