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Thanks for the link Agnes. Eyes playing tricks on me.
I have fallen in love with Beth's pictures of 'Broceliande'. Sorry I don't know about fragrance of these. My one and only stripe ('Swirling Orange' - cheapie pot from Home Depot) has no fragrance my nose can detect. Maybe Nippstress is right about the striped cultivars.

If you want a good stripey... try PHILATELIE. Got it from Palatine last season, and OMG what a great rose it was for a first-yr plant! Gorgeous huge striped blooms in corals, red, and white. My favorite rose of last yr I think! Don't remember if it had any scent tho. But I'm guessing not...

Some tomato seed mats, sealskinz warm waterproof gloves, 3 blocks of organic, fair-trade compressed coir, a pair of lovely Razorsharp Spear & Jackson secateurs, a Crocus gift certificate (already ordered a viburnum, Charles Lamont) and three roses of my choice (postage included) from Peter Beales, which I am pleasurably dithering over. Deuil de Paul Fontaine, Deschamps, Golden Moss, Alfred Coloumb, and Enfant de France are all on the short list.


Seil, I have one of my Double Knock Outs planted in mostly shade--several hours of sun in the earlier morning, perhaps a couple hours of sun late in the day, but I'm sure it doesn't add up to 6 hours of sun--more like 4-5 hours, I'd guess.
No disease problems, but less abundant bloom than my Double Knock Out planted in the sun. Looks nice when in bloom (not spectacular, but nice), but takes a rather long rest between blooming cycles. Like mad gallica, I'd move it--if I had a better spot left open.
Do consider the hybrid musks. I don't know if they all can take part shade, but many of them can. I have Felicia out in back where there is more sun--it is really lovely--you'll have to check on how shade tolerant it is. However, I ordered a new HM for a spot that gets part shade--can't remember if I ordered Cornelia or Penelope, so I'll be surprised when I get it in early spring, but they are both wonderful HMs. Whichever one I ordered, it is supposed to tolerate partial shade.
Here's an idea. How about Ghislaine de Feligonde. She grows usually as a climber, but you could let her ramble and just fill up that space. (That is how I grow my Buff Beauty, as a free-standing shrub.) Ghislaine is listed as a "Hybrid Multiflora, Hybrid Musk, Rambler" at helpmefind.com, and tolerates shade. It is hardy to zone 5 and is disease-resistant. I planted one last year--hasn't bloomed yet, but sure is taking off like a good vigorous rose. Mine is way out in back, so I intend to let it sprawl and do whatever it likes. That area gets part-shade.
Like someone said above, it you are after bright colors, hybrid musks also come in some rosy reds shades, but I don't grow them, so I can't tell you anything about them. I also do not know if they are as shade tolerant as their lighter cousins. But that's what helpmefind.com is for--answering all our questions!
I really think you would be happier with a HM in that spot--or depending on how big the spot is, maybe you could combine a lighter HM with the brighter Double Knock Out.
Let us know what you come up with--but a word of warning on the supposedly re-blooming hydrangeas (macrophylls). They don't always do a good job re-blooming--spring freezes tend to destroy the first bloom. Most macrophyls have that problem. On the other hand, the Annabelle hydrangea can take more cold, but needs more sun.
Good luck with your planning. Do look over the hybrid musks. I really like them.
Kate

Thank you, thank you! I hadn't thought about anything else and I should have. I've never been all that fond of the KOs but I was in desperation mode since this is a difficult spot I guess. Shame on me, lol! I'm so glad I decided to ask here first.
I did a search on HMF for HMs, very hardy, shade tolerant and it came up with a great list! There are many really lovely ones to choose from so I'm off to do some pickin' n choosen'!

No, leave them alone. Don't even try to take the snow off. Let the snow melt on it's own and the branch will come back up as it warms up. I tried to clean the snow off once and the branches were so brittle from the cold they instantly snapped. That's true for any plants you have too, evergreens, bushes, trees, etc. leave them alone and let them recover naturally. It's much better for them.

Last summer I purchased 3 Ralph Moore miniatures from Mountain Valley by mail ('Andrea', 'Torch of Liberty', and 'Redwood Empire') along with some hard-to-find herbs. There is maybe only one other place listed on HMF to purchase 'Torch of Liberty' in the U.S., which has the most charming pale yellow petal reverses! The rose plants that arrived were small but healthy and well-rooted and can't beat the price. They are actually all in bloom out in the yard at the moment...
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Dublinbay, whatever rose you have---- enjoy. Life and beauty are fleeting. I believe those of us who enjoy roses are truly blessed. It must gladden the heart of David Austin to know his roses are so loved.
Here is a photo of my dear Jane with her beloved Charlotte rose. Whatever, don't let someone move it to the back 40.
Here is a link that might be useful: 

Green Dream -- Once again, a great deal depends upon what sort of roses you are growing. It's hard to advise, without knowing that.
If you are discussing modern Hybrid Tea or Floribunda Roses, budded onto rootstock, then a fairly light pruning is probably fine for them. Remember that in your climate, most roses are not (as lizard points out) going to go dormant at all, and certainly won't be losing canes to freezing temps.
If, OTOH, you are discussing Old Garden Roses (or others) growing on their own roots, pruning will likely not be needed this year, and maybe not even next year.
If you can find a pruning demonstration, that would help you A LOT.

It takes temperatures around 27-28 degrees to harm new growth on most repeat-blooming roses. If such temperatures are expected, it would be well to wait until you are safe from them before pruning.
I wonder why zone 9b and 10 growers prune in winter at all, since it is the best weather for growing and blooming, and freeze damage won't occur most winters. It may just be a habit derived from practices in Britain and the colder parts of the US. (I'm guilty too, since I used to prune in winter in zone 9b Florida.) It seems like a good time to prune in the western low desert would be after the summer heat breaks, or in Florida after the summer rainy season with its heavy blackspot pressure. Where freeze damage is not an issue, repeat-blooming roses can be pruned at any time. In Lakeland, FL, Malcolm Manners prunes in March in order to maximize bloom at graduation time on the FSC campus.
PS: Don't think of pruning as "cutting down." In warm climates, modern bush roses are pruned to around 3', and some types of roses are hardly pruned at all. Old tea and China roses would be harmed by severe pruning.
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Thank you all. I haven't seen any disease or infestations, so I will just continue to pull off the dead (and ugly) leaves. I'm already seeing new bud eye growth, so I'll just continue doing what I have been doing.
You know, for the first year or so of growing my roses, I thought that after a while, I would know most of what I needed to know..... Silly me!! This is a much longer learning curve than I originally expected. But it's a FUN learning curve. I'm having a great time with it.
And happy new year to you all too.
andrea

Sounds like your plants are going through a normal process in winter. I do prune mine the week between Christmas and New Year. I do strip the leaves off so I force the plants into dormancy and give them a rest before spring. Come Feb/March, they will leaf out again and be beautiful. Although I do like the starkness of the garden in winter as well. It makes the spring all that more amazing.


My healthiest roses in my no spray, hot and humid Louisiana garden have been: sweet fragrance, freckles, Beverly, Mrs. B.R. can't, mons tillier, quietness, and molineaux. Hopefully they will continue to be healthy and provide more beautiful blooms! I can't wait for spring!


Let me tell everyone that the pictures on this thread have been so exquisite!!!! Such eye candy! This has been such a fun and interesting thread to see which roses have done well for everyone this year. Thanks for sharing your pictures and input on your roses. Lots of new roses and several that I would definitely like to get my hands on in the coming year. It was interesting to see how we all voted this year and there was a 3-way tie for the 2014 rose of the year........Julia's child, Love song, and Pope John Paul II. The runners up or ones that got more than one vote were: Beverly, double delight, mutabilis, lady of shalott, south Africa, peace, gold medal, Marie van houtte, tiffany, belindas dream, hot cocoa, Gemini, and don juan. I think we should do this again next year to see how we all fared and see if our favorites are still the same or have changed given all the variables we may encounter in the coming year. Thanks to all who participated and Happy New Year to everyone! May everything come up rosey in the new year! Shannon

Welcome back, Diane, and a very happy new year to you and everyone else. Your rose is so beautiful; I really love all the different shadings of Augusta Luise, not to mention its ruffles.
Here in a very southern part of southern California we've had snow and temperatures hovering around the 30's at night. Before that we had a bit of rain so all that moisture is welcome. Further inland there was even more snow, and naturally everyone freaks out as though this were some incredible phenomenon. In Minnesota they probably would have considered this a balmy spring day.
Ingrid

I got some new ones in last spring and was delighted with all of them. Chartreuse de Parme was my favorite, just a gorgeous color, very full blooms, intoxicating scent and the blooms were extremely long lasting. I remember the fragrance persisted for at least a week. The plant seems to have good vigor too. Dames de Chenonceau is gorgeous, Henri Matisse has big striped blooms with good repeat,
Nahema has a powerful fragrance , exquisite beauty and good vigor. Alfred Sisley is one of my favorite striped roses. It's incredibly healthy, repeats fast, love the colors, and it has a lot of hips in fall. Makes a good shrubby plant. I'm impressed with Delbards.


Delbards are spectacular, but do better in warm climates (on a whole). Delbard has a large variety however. Some more cold hardy than others. But a lot of them do best in warm climates. And not all have scent. I grow Eden, papi Delbard, nahema and dames de chennonceau ( my favorite of all). There are SO many types of roses however, so don't limit yourself to one breeder. See what does best in your climate. There is a rose (many in fact) for every garden.



Among the first Kordes roses you listed, I've had Beverly and Golden FT for several years and they're reliably hardy and nice bloomers, particularly Beverly. Golden FT blooms well but they fade pretty quickly to creamy yellow. I've had Savannah in its first year now, but it's too soon to see if it overwinters. The rest of the ones you list from Chamblees are new releases and also too soon to see if they overwinter. I have Wedding Bells, First Crush, and Heart Song on order, and I'm pretty confident they'll overwinter well.
All of the Kordes Fairy Tale, Veranda, and Circus roses are bullet proof and hardy for me. Poseidon is a rock-solid mauve, and I agree that Roserium Uetersen is a reliable low climber. Champagne Wishes is a blush Kordes that is a profuse bloomer and very hardy, and almost all of my Kordes roses are from Roses Unlimited or Chamblees, so they're own root roses and have overwintered well.
Cynthia
Thanks for all of the information. I will try some Kordes roses this spring.