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I've had my 3 Pomponellas for eleven years. In my growing season I tend to get 3 to 4 flushes of profuse bloom spring and fall are the best and longest lasting. Like Kate's the hottest part of summer is one of her down times. They make beautiful shrubs for me with very healthy foliage about 6'x6' after a few years. The flowers will ball in very wet humid conditions like this year. But this year is not the norm (not sure if it's ever normal anymore). The flowers are small but many of them. I really like mine.

Nipp, Junco and Patty, Thank you for your responses. I guess I will have to plant them in spots where they can get big. I am excited about getting them and seeing how they will do.

Thanks Cecily, and Pat for your suggestions. :) It's still tiny and quite happy where it is. I might not have to move it for a few more year (in this drought).

If you planted a band this year, I'd recommend digging it up now and putting it in a pot. It probably hasn't sent roots very far yet, so if you dig a hole big enough, you'll get it all out. I think you'll find it grows faster if babied for a while in a pot, anyway. The few bands I planted directly in the ground have been much slower growing than those I potted up for a while first.

:-)

~Christopher

Try watering them more often and plant a few in feb end or March.. U will definitely get beautiful blooms by June if u water them regularly ...

I buy bare roots at Aldis from time to time when they clear them out for $1.99. Yes, I'm a fanatic of a bargain shopper :) I suggest soaking them in water for a day or so before planting. And if the weather warrants it, plant them in pots. You can transfer in the early fall. I'm hardly an expert, but I am fearless. Plants are living things and every living thing is coded to survive. Don't give up. Water em and let nature take its course. Also, I'm not seeing much mulch going on. If that is the case, you'll want to mulch well, especially for the height of the summer months.

Speaking of red hot heat, here are stats regarding heat in U.S. cities.

Highest Temperatures

Large US cities where the temperature most often climbs to 100 °F (37.8 °C) or higher.

City Days a Year Above 99 °F

Phoenix, Arizona 107

Las Vegas, Nevada 70

Riverside, California 24

Dallas, Texas 17

Austin, Texas 16

Sacramento, California 11

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 11

San Antonio, Texas 8

Salt Lake City, Utah 5

Houston, Texas 4

Kansas City, Missouri 3

Warmest Climates

Twelve major US cities have a daily mean temperature above 65 °F (18 °C)

City Daily Average

°F °C

Miami, Florida 77 25

Phoenix, Arizona 75 24

Tampa, Florida 73 23

Orlando, Florida 73 23

Houston, Texas 70 21

New Orleans, Louisiana 70 21

San Antonio, Texas 70 21

Austin, Texas 69 21

Las Vegas, Nevada 69 21

Jacksonville, Florida 69 20

Dallas, Texas 67 20

Riverside, California 67 19

Cities with temperatures of at least 50 °F (10 °C) nearly every day City Days a Year Above 49 °F

Los Angeles, California 365

Miami, Florida 365

San Diego, California 365

Riverside, California 365

Phoenix, Arizona 365

Orlando, Florida 364

Tampa, Florida 364

San Jose, California 362

Jacksonville, Florida 360

San Francisco, California 360

Hottest Days Cities with the highest average daily maximum temperature City Average High°F°C

Phoenix, Arizona 87.2 30.7

Miami, Florida 84.3 29.1

Orlando, Florida 82.8 28.2

Tampa, Florida 81.7 27.6

Riverside, California 80.9 27.2

San Antonio, Texas 80.3 26.8

Las Vegas, Nevada 80.1 26.7

Austin, Texas 79.8 26.6

Houston, Texas 79.7 26.5

Jacksonville, Florida 79.3 26.3

New Orleans, Louisiana 78.2 25.7

Dallas, Texas 77.0 25.0

Los Angeles, California 75.2 24.0

Lynn

Hi Cynthia,
Thanks for your sympathy on the flattened plants. I always gather hollyhock seed and throw it out in fall, late winter, and early spring. between that and the reseeding they naturally do (the ones still standing, I end up with hollyhocks everywhere, all lovely doubles in a tremendous variety of mostly soft colors. Virtually every year, by the middle of July, I have lost about half of them because this is also a very windy place, made worse by being out in the hills on a hilltop.
just was out tying up more plants and about died of heat stroke. It's not the 60s anymore, and the changes are hard on the old body.
The goats are creeping ever closer to my back yard, as their owners move the temp fences across the gulley. I don't know how far they'll let them up the hill. It's going to be interesting, and my photographer (granddaughter) is in Oregon right now.
Diane

Sorry about the misplacement of the pic.

Give it some time. Mine did much better the 2nd year. I love mine, and blooms are always smaller in hot temps. Colors change depending on temps too. I did get a great flush this July.

Heatwave2000 - don't despair about your Twilight Zone. I suspect it would have done the same thing in a pot, perhaps more so. Nurseries often pump the roses up on a lot of fertilizers to make them look good for sales, and by the time they get to their real sites they're "tired". They've been having to run a marathon for weeks in the sales floor, and they need a rest to rebuild their roots. Add to that a hot climate, and your rose is in a period of adjustment. If it continues putting out those small blooms, I'd actually pinch off the buds before they bloom to give it more time to rebuild its structure. In your warm zone, you wouldn't need to do this routinely, but it's something to try for a rose that's a little stressed to give it a boost.

Remember also that any newly planted rose will not look at its best for a year or two. The rule of thumb is "first year sleep, second year creep, third year leap". That's normal and expected, so you're doing fine!

Cynthia

Funny I always see the pets before the plants, Beautiful kitty was my first thought as well. All the easy elegance you mentioned will be upright after this year except SS. Don't know your zone but many of my EE's do die to the ground in winter here depending on how harsh the winter is. They bounce back nicely for the next year thou.

I'm trying an experiment with a new Sunrise Sunset. Since all of my original SS's always kept their canes off the ground. I was wondering if the difference could be fertilizer. My soil is much improved over what it once was and can't change that. But it is not going to receive any extras. No seaweed sprays, alfalfa meal, cotton seed meal, leaves, nitrogen ect ect ect. To see if she may grow more upright than they do now. Even before the extra care they were always covered in bloom. I believe perhaps more than they are now. Since we have had nearly zero sun this season the truer test will be next year.

Jim's advice for insecticides is good. They will do less damage to beneficial insects. You need thorough coverage of the lower leaf surfaces of plants that are getting the sawflies' attention. And I wouldn't worry about it if up to 10% of the leaf area is eaten.

I second pat-bama. Long lasting fragrant roses are what you want in a cutting garden (if you like fragrance). His list is very good and I grow most of them. I would add Sonia Rykiel, Barbra Streisand, Evelyn, Memorial Day, Frederic Mistral, Papa Meilland, Stainless Steel, Blue Moon, New Zealand, Beverly, Granada, Augusta Luise and Yves Piaget. All these are pretty productive for me.

FM is 10 x 10 x 10 here in zone 10! This is after I hack him back to 1-2 feet stumps every winter.

Nana, those are stunning! And all the more beautiful as a pair.

Thanks so much, hosta, I just love Julia. Diane

Opinions will differ on whether to prune, but all the canes contain stored nutrients that can help the plant refoliate. If you don't prune, new growth will come mostly at the top, which may look awkward, but IMO that approach will lead to a more vigorous plant.

The picture shows leaves dying of blackspot disease. If the weather turns hotter and drier, this problem should decrease. However, there are highly effective synthetic fungicides that will stop it from spreading and will not burn the foliage. If you are comfortable using these, I recommend any product containing only propiconazole or tebuconazole. I use Bayer Advanced Disease Control for Roses, Flowers, and Shrubs. Don't buy any of the Bayer combo products (All-in-One, etc.) that are featured at the box stores..

You may have over-fertilized with the fish. We recommend little or no fertilizer for the first months.

Also, you may have burned foliage with "a variety of organic products," although I don't see any symptoms in the picture (purple smears or tan dry areas). Fungicides called "organic" (oil, sulfur, copper, bicarbonate) are less effective and more likely to burn than the best synthetic products. Also some of them are incompatible with others. You can get by with one of them if used with caution, but please don't throw a bunch of stuff from the pantry at the roses.

I have Scepter'd Isle in the neighboring state of Nebraska, and it's a pretty resilient rose. Mine recovers from winter damage without hesitation and in a normal year the blackspot isn't too bad. As Kate said, this hasn't been a normal year with record precipitation and gloom, so don't worry too much about less than perfect foliage. Giving it some water at the base, watering deeply but not necessarily every day, will wash away some of the over-fertilization Michael is talking about. The holes in the leaves are rose slugs, and they are little green worms under the leaves. If they bother you, you can pick them out or spray all over the undersides of the leaves to wash them out. For my part, I just wait for the birds and good bugs to take care of them. They don't really hurt the rose, just make the leaves look a little goofy.
Give it time to settle in - whatever conditions you have are different than in the nursery where you bought it, so you need to be patient as it settles in and not give it too much fussing with things like fertilizers. Water and the mulch around the drip line is mostly what it wants.

Cynthia

And Julia does smell exquisite.

If you want something different that not to many people grow, take a look at Golden Wings. It's a great rose and is supposed to be very winter hardy.

I'm in So CA by Disneyland so I can't comment on cold but I like my Jasmina very much. She grows in a Crepe Myrtle tree and the flowers hang down like lovely wisteria blooms. The little stems are thin at first but in a few years will get thicker. I just kept braiding them together until the shoots were thick enough to go straight up without flopping. She still wants to grow sideways sometimes. She has super catchy little hooks so wear old clothes gloves and goggles. I don't get any rebloom but maybe because I cant get up there to cut off the old flowers. This is probably most spectacular on a low fence where she can spread wide and you can remove the old blooms. I have her growing high because the flower clusters hang down and I like looking up into them.

In bloom this is one beautiful shrub/climber

I saw this rose the first time at a local nursery. I've been wanting this rose but now that I see the flowers in person, I have to say I am a bit disappointed. Then again, the blooms were old and fading soon so it is not a new open blooms. Can anyone who grow this rose share what they think of this rose now.

I'll trade you my blister beetles, which never bother my roses, for your rose slugs. Insect pests are everywhere. It's just part of gardening, though as pests, they pesticate us. Diane

Nah, I won't throw in the towel because of a few pests - I won't let them bully me ;) I too have found it to be relaxing & a stress reliever, even if it may cause a stroke, lol! Plus I have lots of paper wasps/parasitic wasps, bumblebees, songbirds, etc, to take care of the pests. I do, however, need to find some native plants to attract more as well as plants to keep pests at bay.

Being a beginner at roses, as well as having a certain mindset that they are difficult to maintain (as my mother always said but I'm overcoming), I've been babying them, need to let nature do its thing & sit back to enjoy my work thus far. I do thoroughly enjoy everything that comes with it: pruning, dead heading, making my own trellises, I even enjoy watering :)

Thanks for the encouragement & input; that's enough to keep me moving forward!

Nic

P.S. I've checked for pests today & found nothing, but would've let them be if I did ;)