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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

If it was my garden, I would leave the roses for now and plan to move in the fall when rain is in the forecast. Riverside gets very hot and dry and with water restrictions you may end up losing more to the dr

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 4:51PM
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Gary(USDA ZONE = 9b SUNSET ZONE = 18 (Riverside, CA, USA))

In March, I bought seventy 2-cu-ft bags of bark for a 4-inch layer of mulch to prevent weeds from growing in my garden. I want to apply the bark after I improve the soil and re-locate the roses. (Also, the bark bags are taking up valuable car-space in my garage).

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 5:49PM
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kaesgarden(Wa Cascades Zone 7)

Thank you on all accounts! I'll do a bit of hard trimming and see if they don't liven up a bit. I also gave my roses a banana for the potassium as a treat so i'm hoping once the weather perks up and taking all your suggestions and applying them to the bushes. I hope to see some wonderful improvements. Thank you again, for your kind words. :)

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 8:46PM
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bluegirl_gw

What Cynthia said. They don't look like they're dying, just look like old, somewhat neglected bushes.
I'd take out all dead wood--including trimming off those stumps of canes that have already been whacked--take off that dead stump part. Gentle fertilizing, as you've already done (bananas are good), keep them watered well so the fertilizer doesn't burn. Add more mulch before your hottest weather (but not on top of the canes).
And gradually, like one cane, once a year or so, I'd start removing those old woody canes. They're pretty crowded & if you let new basals grow up instead, the rose will be rejuvenating itself & be more productive of new growth & flowers.
I bet they'll be fine. Best wishes for your mother's recovery. Sounds like things have been rough.

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 1:32PM Thanked by kaesgarden
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

All of my mail orders came in the last two weeks. It's been planting time. When I take my trip I like to start with Lowes in Dekalb. Then hit The Perennial Place in Naperville followed by Chalet Nursery. Now I can check an Ace Hardware as well. The goal is to return home with at least one plant that I have not grown before.

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 7:40AM
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Dingo2001 - Z5 Chicagoland(5)

Oh a day of nursery shopping! How fun! If you are cutting through Des Plains on your way to Chalet, Pesche's and Lurvey's are right next to each other, they sometimes have some good stuff. I haven't been in either one yet this year.

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 1:06PM
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kidhorn2

Plants without leaves don't need water. Unless the soil is bone dry, I generally don't water bare roots until they have several full size leaves. Too much water can be bad for the roots.

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 11:30AM
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sam 4b Adirondacks

Nice! Its looks good Ness. Now you can enjoy.

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 12:44PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Just have to say, those are beautiful roses!

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 7:31PM Thanked by omniavanitas_caz9
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Yes, they are beautiful and lush. I'm sorry about the kids--they are worse than deer sometimes. Diane

    Bookmark     May 5, 2015 at 12:01AM Thanked by omniavanitas_caz9
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

Hi Chris: Are these new roses or are you taking care of roses that are already established? Paul Zimmerman has many helpful videos. Here is one that got me started: Own Root First Season The title is about own-root roses, but I think much of the information applies to all young roses. Young roses need more water and less fertilizer than established roses, so that they can focus on growing roots. Here's a video on rose pruning: Introduction to Rose Pruning. Good luck. Roses are tougher than you might think and this forum is a great resource.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 7:12PM
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Chris Olson

Yes they are and thank you! :)

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 7:22PM
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jacqueline9CA

Thanks so much Emily! So far the only thing which has worked temporarily in my garden is that rotten egg spray, and you have to keep putting it on the new growth. Of course, in addition to new leaves, what they like best best best is rose buds!

Jackie

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 2:41PM
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summersrhythm_z6a

Thanks for the tip! :-) I will tie some bags in the back yard, for the front, I am ordering some small wind socks for the gardens. I have been spray Liquid Fence every 3 days, I have rabbits issues, and the other day saw 3 deers 50' away. Deer Stop didn't work for me. None of them are cheap, $33-38 a bottle.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 5:05PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

Flamingo Dancer is wonderful. I hope your Vick's Caprice perks up. It may just need time to acclimate. Occhi di Fata is very pretty. St. Elizabeth does best in full afternoon shade. I love the rose but in a hot climate it's pretty iffy.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 2:09PM Thanked by mustbnuts zone 9 sunset 9
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mustbnuts zone 9 sunset 9

Thanks Ingrid. I read about your efforts with SE after I purchased her. Now, I can't even remember why or what attracted me to her in the first place, to get her for my yard. I will let her grow for at least a year and see if I want to shovel prune her. I hope Vick perks up too. I love his flower and it makes a great cut flower as well. I am not sure what his problem is! Occhi--I have never seen a rose that is one color on one side of the petal and the same petal is a different color on the other side. One side pink and one side white. What a rose! I think this rose is going to do very well here. I am excited about this one and I was very unsure about whether or not to get him/her.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 3:30PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Zone 6a but what state? Thanks

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 2:09PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

I don't think I've ever seen Lovely Fairy. Michael says it's a sport of The Fairy, so I'm assuming the growth habits are the same.

Zones alone are almost worthless. Zone + state + part of state if the state is large tells us a lot about what climatic conditions the rose has to deal with, which is why we all include it.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 2:57PM
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paola_b(CA z10b/Sunset 23)

Thank you so very much... Aware of two roses "GN" and "Souvenir de GN" - not ordering this rose.

I am in Southern CA, about 7 miles from the beach a bit up the hill, so may be "Gilbert" wouldn't get mildew-:) here.

I've decided to order Gilbert Nabonnand and Pink Gruss an Aachen... I liked this rose so much. I will not plant either or... near my cement wall. "Gruss" will go into a big ceramic pot for the moment and "Gilbert" will go into the ground on the opposite, sunny side of the yard, where he could grow 6 ft. wide and as tall:) as he wants and be beautiful.

I left "Strike It Reach", even severely underdeveloped, in that corner. Let's see if it's looks are going to imrove in another year. If nothing good happens, perhaps a good sport of a modern rose, bought in a 5-gal. container, will have a better start and, eventually, succeed there.

Again, I thank you from the bottom of my heart... and hope you'd forgive me for being such a BIG pain.

Kindest and warmest -:))

Paola

    Bookmark     May 3, 2015 at 6:22PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

You're not a pain! Never think it!

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 2:54PM Thanked by paola_b
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emily2002(8aFL)

havent tried to root any since I have so many.....what I can tell you is that the pink is the only spreading groundcover type and it does spread. the pics I originally posted of the pink were cut back in January to 1/3 the size shown (this is suggested by the hybridizer) and when the stems get so heavy with buds and blooms, they touch the ground and presto.....they root! the sweet doesnt spread like the pink but it sprawls and gets bigger and bigger and the stems root all by themselves. in fact, I've had little plants keep coming up after the mother bush has been moved. msrose and beth, I would send you some cuttings of the original white drift if I knew how to reach you.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 1:07PM
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Beth zone 8a Dallas, TX

Thanks Emily, email me at beth9116@suddenlink.net

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 1:37PM
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New growth - 2015
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Look at those ears as if to say thank you for the meal. I'm happy I don't have many of those sweet things close by. A few find their way here now and then.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 12:37PM
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9

They are darling, but probably much less so when you wake up one morning and half of your roses have been nibbled to the ground. Rather than killing them I wish there were some way to "shoot" the does with a dart that will render them sterile. Much less grief for everyone concerned.

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lil0kie

Heirloom lists it but out of stock. I live in Oklahoma. It had covered the whole plant but it still froze. We had a very cold winter that year. I was excited when I saw buds but shocked when they were red. I've left it but really would like to have my white lightnin's back. They smell so wonderful. Thank you for the posts.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 9:05AM
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vasue VA (7A Charlottesville)(7A Charlottesville)

Another fan of White Lightnin' from years past, also looking to add to this garden. Plan to call Roses Unlimited (own root gallons) to check availability myself. One good thing about own roots is that if the branches freeze out, the rose that grows back will be the original & not the rootstock (likely Dr. Huey is your case). http://www.rosesunlimitedownroot.com/alphabetical_list.htm

The description at HelpMeFind lists 7b as its lowest hardiness range, but under the Member Comments tab, a contributor mentions it grows well for them in zone 5 Colorado.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.6527&tab=1

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 11:38AM
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my3fatcats

A rosarian said to prune the heck out of my roses. I have mostly shrubs so I'm used to a lot of flowers. Suffice it to say I didn't appreciate the vast reduction in blooms. Maybe that's just for HT's, like she grows. Being that I'm not interested in spraying every week like she does, I grow carefree, disease-free shrub roses.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 8:10AM
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dan_keil_cr Keil(Illinois z5)

When pruning, the inside of the cut of the stem dictates how far to prune. The inside of the stem should be a creamy white color. IF not keep going down. The new growth will not be supported, if the wood is not good. Almost every rose I have got cut to the ground because of the winter we had. My plants are coming up good. The only rose I have that didn't get cut are my Species Rugosa's HARD PRUNING WILL NOT HARM THE PLANT.
You said shrubs/ Knockouts were cut to the ground this year, so were my English roses. The nice thing about shrubs is they are on their own roots, well most of them are!!!
I lost my OSO Happy rose.

    Bookmark     May 4, 2015 at 10:37AM
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