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Lilies08

Thanks again for the helpful input! I snipped a dozen or so of the canes, and most were brittle and dry, presumably dead. There were a couple of canes that had a hint of green inside, but those still aren't producing new growth.

The largest bush has 3 fully-green canes, among dozens of brown, dry, brittle ones. The green ones have just started producing leaves. But, I think I will cut the 3 green ones off along with the brown, or I will just have a few straggly canes sticking up above the rest of the new bush. :/

Now I have to figure out how to cut down this monstrous rose bush without getting mauled by thorns! I have elbow-length gloves but I feel like I'll need body armor!

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 10:40AM
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summersrhythm_z6a

A lot of my DE canes are brown, but they're alive.

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 6:55PM
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rabains

The branches of Japanese maple does not obstruct the junior while it is doing the job?

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 10:55AM
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toolbelt68(7)

Nope, the front of the cover is right at grass level so the limbs just slide up and over him. Any that do go under get chewed up. He will stop and back up so he doesn't get hung up. He just finished mowing the front yard and has gone back to recharge. Tomorrow he mows the side yard.

1 Like    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 11:33AM Thanked by rabains
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sutekesh Switzerland(6a)

Seil is right - plastic is a no-no even if it's over cloth - still won't be able to breath! I use what we call 'wood-wool' and burlap. The main thing is to keep off the frost and protect the rose from the cold winds.

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 10:45AM
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bart_2015

Mighn't it be ok if one built a teepee of sticks or rebar over the plants and then cover that with the bubble wrap, maybe poking holes in it to allow for air circulation? because though in my warm area I don't need to protect mature roses for winter, I DO have to protect newly-planted babies, especially bare-roots, and i 've had problems with disease issues mounding with organic material. Instead I've had great success using broken-up pieces of styrofoam and wine corks. I prop the styrofoam pieces up around the canes,supporting them on the outside with rocks, etc. Air still can circulate easily, since it's by no means air-tight,but the fact that these materials are completely inorganic means that bacteria and fungus doesn't breed easily. Just a thought...

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 10:55AM
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho(Zone 7 Boise SW Idaho)

Blue Chip is part of the "Lo and Behold" group of BBs produced by Proven Winners, and it's available in many gardening centers. Diane

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 12:40AM
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Sow_what? Southern California Inland

Yes, as Diane said. Blue Chip is the largest of the micros and the easiest to find. I haven't tried it Nik, since I wanted an even smaller one. The Lo and Beholds generally are getting mixed reviews so far, and I'm not seeing much yet on the Flutterby, but I'll report back after I've worked with them for awhile.

jannike

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 10:54AM
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Please identify miniature rose (blooms are 1 1/4" across)
Posted by Gary(USDA ZONE = 9b SUNSET ZONE = 18 (Riverside, CA, USA)) April 30, 2015
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Gary(USDA ZONE = 9b SUNSET ZONE = 18 (Riverside, CA, USA))

The plant is about 12" tall (but it has been pruned yearly and relocated in my garden a few times)

The blossoms have a slight scent.

Photos show the color of the new growth and thorns/prickles.

Form of plant:

Close-up of blossom:

Close-up of blossom:

Side view of blossom:

Fully-open blossom and new blossoms:

Close-up of new blossom:

Close-up of bud:

Thorns:

New leaves:

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 8:30AM
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ozmelodye(Z10 S-E Australia)

Gary, over the years Poulsen have released many Parade roses similar or identical to yours which often have no tagged names.I have had a few, bought at Supermarkets, which have been impossible to trace.

Melodye

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 8:56AM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Cute little rose. Interesting to see how it will do in a garden. It looks to be in the "potted gift" class.
'Saturnus King Terrazza'

Buying lots of roses. We've all been there. :-)

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 7:42AM
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cleangeek(Zone 9)

I also agree on using Bayer, Spectracide Immunox is also good but it's hard to find. I have tried potassium bicarbonate and soap in a spray bottle with limited success, it works well on PM though. BS is most active in high humidity and temps between 65-80F, when the temps get to 85F it goes dormant. It only takes 7 hours for the spores to germinate, that's why it's best to spray right after it rains.

Black Spot

BTW: potassium bicarbonate is non-toxic so it's safe to use on fruits and vegetables.

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 12:13PM
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jjpeace (zone 5 US/zone 6 Can)

Ok I guess I will return the horticultural/sulphur back to the store then. I have not been using anything for years but thought I try something this year. Thanks for the info.

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 7:09AM
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petaloid(SoCal 10a/24)

I'm in a coastal zone 9/10 climate, and I would add Sugar Moon (white HT) to sincerely100's suggestions.

I also grow and agree with Firefighter (red HT).

Here at the coast, I find Barbra Streisand and Double Delight have some disease problems in my no-spray garden during damp weather, but otherwise are highly fragrant and beautiful.

-- Janene

    Bookmark     April 23, 2015 at 2:47PM
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fragrancenutter(Zone 10b)

I am smelling these great roses right now...

Firefighter

Papa Meilland

Ebb Tide

Frederic Mistral

New Zealand

Duchess de Brabant

Augusta Luise

Yves Piaget

Devoniensis

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steve_gw

Papa Meilland is awesome, and also I still grow an old JP rose called Patrician, always the first rose to bloom in spring for me, great fragrance, pretty hardy, and decent disease resistance.....

    Bookmark     April 25, 2015 at 1:54PM
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fragrancenutter(Zone 10b)

Here are some photos to tempt:

Firefighter

Papa Meilland

Both smell divine right now... yum!

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 5:50AM
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irisgal_z9

Good choices Sara_Ann.

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 9:17PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Sara-Ann, I didn't see Darcey Bussell or Munstead Woods. The selection was small, but that was good cause I wasn't overwhelmed with too many choices.

    Bookmark     May 2, 2015 at 3:32AM
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mjquarry

I have had one for many years and it survives every winter (-40C here in Manitoba) with a good covering of soil and leaves. It doesn't seem more prone to blackspot than others in our humid summers. I would so love to find more of it.

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 7:53PM
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zack_lau z6 CT
    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 11:56PM
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henry_kuska

The active ingredient in Bayer Disease Control for Roses, Flowers, and Shrubs is tebuconazole. This compound is "likely" an effective endocrine disruptor. One of the most recent (2014) reviewed, published scientific papers is (fortunately) available, in full, to the general public. The link below gives the rose forum discussion of this paper.

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1705364/new-tebuconazole-full-paper-human-risk-assessment?n=2

The actual paper is at:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750014000262

This is where the EPA is/was, concerning a ban, as of 2014:

http://www.apsnet.org/meetings/Documents/2014_meeting_abstracts/aps2014abS74.htm

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 9:37PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

I'd say that some good general advice is to learn about the various types of roses and how you can use them in your garden. Generally, Hybrid Teas are the divas of the rose world, being bred for large, cut-worthy, beautiful, but fewer blooms on sometimes/often temperamental plants. Floribundas were created to provide color impact by interbreeding Hybrid Teas (generally single, large blooms) with Polyanthas (clusters of small blooms) to get something in between. Polyanthas themselves are great for easy-care color on (generally) smaller plants but with a more limited color-range than their Floribunda descendants. Miniatures can vary from the those which are like tiny Polyanthas or Chinas to others that grow larger but retain small foliage and blooms -- you'll have to research them individually to know what you're getting. Shrub roses are a bit of a catch-all, and there are several sub-groups, such as Hybrid Musks (some of which are like big Polyanthas, others are sem-climbing), Rugosas, Hybrid Kordesii (these two are more often grown in cold-climates), and various species-hybrids which take more after their wild ancestors in habit but with some "refinement" of their blooms. Within the classification of Shrubs are David Austin's English Roses, which again are a mixed bag, united only by their breeder who sought to emulate the old rose "look" in modern repeat-blooming roses.

Among the antiques you'll find the old European once-blooming types like Gallicas, Damasks, Centifolias, Albas, Pimpinellifolias, Hybrid Chinas, Hybrid Bourbons, and a few others. Some may wonder why, with so many repeat-blooming roses, we should bother with the old once-blooming varieties. Well, in a mixed garden, they provide an explosion of color (and, usually, fragrance) in their shorter season of bloom -- rather like many other non-rose blooming shrubs like lilacs or azaleas. While a garden of only once-blooming roses will be rather boring for most of the year, there is definitely a place for them in a mixed garden. Also among the once-blooming roses are various ramblers and climbers which provide similar exuberant abundance of color during their respective seasons -- if you've ever seen arbors or houses or even trees festooned with rose blooms, you'll have seen how the once-blooming ramblers also have their place.

There are also a few types of repeat-blooming antiques. Based on your area, you're in a warm-enough climate to grow Chinas and (probably) Teas. These two groups brought the reblooming trait into virtually all repeat-blooming types of roses. Chinas would be akin to the Polanthas (from which they descend) in that they provide at least a few blooms throughout the growing season. Teas generally have more intricate blooms, and often more fragrance, and often can grow to become rather large shrubs over time. Noisettes arose from a cross between Chinas and the old Musk rose, and are somewhat like large Polanthas with more fragrant blooms in shades of pink through white. Tea-Noisettes are often used as repeat-blooming climbers, and like their name implies, they are something between Teas and Noisettes. Bourbons are a varied group, but generally they provide the fragrance of the old European once-blooming roses on plants that either bloom in multiple flushes throughout the season, or two flushes -- once in late Spring, and again in late Summer to Autumn. Portlands are basically repeat-blooming Damasks with a Gallica-like growth habit, sometimes a tad taller. Hybrid Perpetuals are a very mixed bag -- some grow like Bourbons, some like Portlands, some like something else entirely. Generally, they provide a main flush in late Spring and bloom again after the heat of Summer has passed -- if provided another round of fertilizer and given ample water.

If you're wondering which roses to add to your garden, my advice would be to imagine how you'd want your rose to grow in that particular spot, and seek the plant before the bloom. For example, if you want your rose to be an arching shrub, don't get a Hybrid Tea and think you can train or prune it to grow that way. This will avoid buying a particular rose because of its pretty flower only to find that it doesn't "do" what you want. Take a look online for more detailed definitions and descriptions of the various classes of roses to get an understanding of what will work for you. Also seek out any local public gardens -- especially if the collection goes beyond modern roses. Then, when you find a few that catch your eye, check them out individually by searching their names at HelpMeFind to see comments, references, and pictures.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 10:44PM
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irisgal_z9

I always suspect grasshoppers when I see a missing chunk off the side of a leaf.

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 9:19PM
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rabains

And I c something slimy on the eaten leaf which is dried up silvery residue

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 9:25PM
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poppy_pa_6b

I don't know if you have a Whole Foods Market near you, but for your zone, I was told they were selling DA roses, specifically Lady of Shalott around Mother's Day for 19.99. Here's the link:

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/2807749/austin-roses-at-whole-foods

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 4:14PM
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beaverfoot

I have been to both Trader Joe`s and Walmart, and neither one had anything. Of course roses are just starting to be sold here. I guess last year some places ordered early and then they got frozen and looked like "hell" according to one nursery. I think I will be happy with Tropicana. So now I have a new Firefighter and Neil Diamond, both from Edmunds, and a Chrysler Imperial and an Oklahoma from Home Depot, as well as Tropicana. Thanks again!

    Bookmark     May 1, 2015 at 6:59PM
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