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Leaf shape and the color of mature leaves can be useful for identification. The heat of the summer may also affect blooms--there are a few plants that do better when its hot--St. Patrick does wonderfully in hot weather. For others, the color can be off and you may wind up with far fewer petals than normal.
Hi Diane, I'd love to take the credit but the pics aren't mine although I DO have Music Box and Sweet Fragrance. Music Box has flowered but the flowers were kind of small. I'm sure she'll improve with age. No flowers yet on SW but High Voltage has a bud and Champagne Wishes has flowered a coupole of times. They are growing well and look very healthy so I'm hoping that these will perform as well as Centennial Rose, which is gorgeous. I bought the only one the nursery ahd last year and was hoping he'd get some this yera but he didn't. Otherwise I would have boughta second one. Even though it has very little scent its vigor, disease resistance and practically non-stop flowering makes it a keeper.
Sharon
If you are just trying to make another (ownroot) rose from the 1st grafted rose, you can also pull down a cane, depending on the growth habit, and start the rooting process that way. Put a rock or something to keep part of the cane under dirt, and eventually it will root and you can cut that new plant off from your original plant.
Meredith has some good advice. It might be easier to use what they call the "layering" method to root a cane and then cut it off. You'll have a much better success rate because the mother plant will still be feeding the cane while the section that's under the soil will put out roots. I recommend what Meredith says.
Jerri has some great advice too, but you'd have to dig up the rose or build a raised area around it in order to get it deeper into the ground once its planted. If the rose is newly planted and sill easy to move (has not yet set out delicate feeder roots, within a week) you can do that. If not, try rooting it using the layering method above.
My cuttings usually lose their leaves. Sounds like you had good success on rooting them. Do not feed them until they have started putting on "grown up" leaves. I just uncover mine a little more every couple of days until they are more than half uncovered. You can leave them in the cups until the cups are full of roots. then I pot them in larger pots. I am afraid to put them straight in the ground with it so hot. I would keep them in the same place where you have them now.
It's true that green yard waste contributes more nutrients, but wood mulch works well. Here is an assessment by a PhD horticulturist:
http://puyallup.wsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/wood-chips.pdf
We call a strong shoot from the ground a basal break if it is good (from the graft or above) and a rootstock sucker if it is bad (from below the graft). In the case of a bush rose, you can just let it grow a few feet and see if it sets a flower bud, in which case it is good. In the case of a climbing rose like 'America', you can dig down and investigate, but this is probably a good basal break.
Re: The new stalk - Yeah, doesn't look like Multifora. either. Multifora has smaller and more vicious thorns. So, I'm betting it's a basal split.
Re: Wood Mulch
My understanding was that wood multch mixed with the soil will temporarily tie up nitrogen when the multch decomposes; but when it is finished decomposing the nitrogen and organic mater will be available to the plant.
As a cover on top, it will really only react with the first few inches of soil, and if you add new multch every year, you should always have a layer of multch that is done decomposing and nitrogen saturated right under the layer that is at the stage... So, you're slowly introducing more nitrogen and organic compounds to the equation. If your composting or fertelizing as well, you'll have no problem.
That said, michaelg's link is from a more authoritative source. Here's the TL;DR: there is no evidence multch depletes the nitrogen of a bed, and has been shown to increase nitrogen of a bed over time. Though she theorizes that there is a nitrogen "dead zone" at the weed/seed level, but that won't effect established plants. Which seems like a good thing to me.
Wow, it's interesting how scent can vary. I have had Excellenz von Schubert for 6 or 7 years and never noticed a scent at all. True, I have a poor "nose", but I definitely agree that Jude the Obscure has a lovely scent, and Sharifa Asma is always a favorite among Austins. Looks like I'll have to bring in a spray of ExVonSch and see if I can detect anything.
Cynthia
Nipstress, that might be because Excellenz von Schubert and Gartendirektor Otto Linne are sometimes mixed up in commerce. Some nurseries have been selling Gartendirektor Otto Line as Excellenz von Schubert for years. They can look very much alike. However while EVS is very fragrant, GOL has only a mild (if that) fragrance.
I remain a firm member of the "Cynthia" fan club, but for entirely different reasons (ahem). Sadly, the rose Cynthia is one that simply will not survive our zone 5 winters even when pampered so my namesake will have to go appreciated in other yards like yours. The same goes for Cynthia Brooke, and I've tried both at least twice. Someone needs to breed a Morden rose and call it "Lovely Cynthia" or something of the sort (smile).
Glad she'd doing so well for you - I think Seil has the heart of what's going on with your clusters. After all, it's hard to complain about 4 Cynthia blooms rather than just one, eh?
Cynthia
Yes, indeed! Those clusters might be kinda funny looking, but they have the truly splendid Cynthia aroma. Last year, I made rosewater out of dried Cynthia petals. The last bit just came out of my refrigerator and still smells lovely. I use it as a facial toner and I imagine I smell like Cynthia all day! This year, I plan on using fresh petals to see if I can get a nearly clear rosewater to use on my linens. Cynthia forever! ; )
I'd agree with Kentucky Rose's order for those roses, and another late one for me is Papa Meilland. I'd put Red Masterpiece, Olympiad, Legends, and In The Mood among the earlier bloomers, but my Firefighter hasn't bloomed yet this season (might be because it's only a two-year-old bush).
Cynthia
I have a new Dark Desire ordered from Palatine this spring. Boy is it healthy and growing like mad even after the deer used it for a late night snack. So can't say anything yet except it's supposed to be disease resistant and very fragrant. Here's what I've got so far:
I looked at the photos offered on HMF and this one is definitely different than Intriguing. I will try to keep better track.
I do have some experience with Winchester Cathedral sporting back to Mary. Several years ago it was just one branch each year; now it is half-and-half, but you give a good reminder on how to keep track.
Trying again with less sideways photo... The double graft I purchased from Lowe's clearance rack ended up being just the Walking on Sunshine, Perhaps they killed the other half or maybe it was mislabeled. Either way it's a very vigorous, healthy & happy plant that is constantly covered in blooms and buds. Yesterday I scored a "Dear Delores" hydrangea for $2.85. Love the clearance racks.
chris2486, it has very slight fragrance and it seems to me like climber, because of branches structure.. I am steel puzzled)
danuv, I bought my Walking on Sunshine from Lowes clearance last year, labeled like Brandy
and Im very happy with these bushes - they are blooming machines in my garden
I see Black Magic on Regan's plant list, but in their garden center only in Fremont, CA.
I'll be anxious to see what's "new."