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Cedar Park, TX ...just realized this is a rose forum post not a TX gardening one.

The more people we can get looking for it and removing affected planted especially the neglected ones in commercial plantings, then perhaps the disease level will die down enough we might be able to grow some roses, the way it's going now, it's just going to keep getting worse and worse around here.

I can't answer any questions about the rose bush other than what I said in my original post...it's a Joseph's Coat running rose bush. We haven't trimmed it at all except to cut off the spent blooms (we were told not to for the first two years). We're in North East Texas. The rose bush is in full sun from about 11am and the soil is a sandy loam (a mixture of sand and red clay). Here is a picture from the first year we planted it (two years this month).

Oops...sorry. I missed seeing that your rose is a Joseph's Coat. It's a fairly good grower, but I doubt it can keep up with multiple full-grown plants of yellow jasmine. I'm assuming you're talking about Gelsemium sempervirens, or Carolina jessamine. It's a rambunctious plant here in TN, and there aren't many roses that could keep up with it. I can't say the planting is a "mistake", but it may end up being more upkeep than you want. You're going to need to keep encouraging the rose, and DIScouraging the gelsemium.

John

I recently noticed my Firefighter is also going to be a one cane wonder :( I planted it early last summer. I thought I read a lot about Firefighter I guess I missed that it's not as winter hardy as I thought. If it doesn't pan out I'm going to go with Veteran's Honor.

Back when I had a lot of roses, the beginning of the season pruning was distressing because of cane subtraction. Start with three, then two, then one. I've seen rose bushes with 8 or more and I think it's some kind of miracle.

Since I started up two years ago, I've lost two canes; one I removed when a new cane was crossing with it and another that I fell on.

I'm a huge optimist and if I had the space, I would leave the one cane plant alone and plant another of the same with the requisite number of canes.

The one caner can always be removed and replaced with something else later.

It seems good to me. It is up to you to decide to shovel prune and get a new one. Or... Grow this one if you think it is putting out enough new shoots to make you happy. I think a good rose will have 4 or 5 good canes.

Nick, more than enough, should be fine.... Not to worry...

msrose, I believe the drift rose you have in this pic is coral. I posted a whole series of drifts (with pics) on 4-18-15, entitled "No rose blooms continuously like the Drift series". If you like your drift rose, you may find that post interesting. I have around 85 of them.

The one I just planted in the front is actually a carpet rose. I do love the three Drift roses I have in the back though (Pink, Peach, and Sweet). In fact, I was out looking for Apricot today, but couldn't find it. I have a raised bed in my backyard and these roses handle the low water and Texas heat like nothing else. I can't wait to see your pictures!!

I agree Heritage might be a good choice, especially if you're really drawn to it. Since CPM at the other end of this row of roses is pretty tall/climbing, the size of Heritage at this end might look fine, balancing it up.

I wondered, if you liked the idea, whether a simple support (whether functional/disappearing, like a rebar rod teepee, or pretty/decorative, like a painted wooden tuteur) at each end, for CPM and H (or whatever), might help you keep them to a controlled shape, more vertical than widely/wildly sprawling, if horizontal space is an issue. Some do say Heritage is too stiff to train at all, but I think others must have done it. I can't speak to the question from personal experience, but you could search in GardenWeb using the box above to find past threads on the subject, and/or look up 'Heritage' and check the Description, Members Comments and Photos on the HelpMeFind/Roses website to get some idea of the natural growth habits of CPM and H and how others have grown them. Be aware that DAs can vary a lot in both size/vigour and disease resistance in different zones and areas, even in different parts of a garden.

To look up DA alternatives, isn't there an American DA website? Perhaps you could browse through that, then look up any that appeal to you on the above two sources, for further descriptions, photos and comments. I realise you may already be using these resources; I just thought I'd mention them just in case you're not familiar with them - they're both terrifically useful reference points.

Comtesse :¬)

Diane, that's a good idea, thanks! Comtesse, yes, there is a US Austin site, and that's where I got CPM from. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to check with them - I got the new catalog in the mail 3-4 weeks ago, and put it under the coffee table. There's my reading for tonight, although I'm afraid I'll be sorry tomorrow - I didn't read it initially because I can't stop once I open it. I do love Austin roses. Something about all those petals, I think.

I do have a support behind the Princess (well, in my bed she IS, lol!) so as she grows I can put canes up it to try to keep her more vertical than arching. We'll see if she cooperates...

Any bloom booster-- the middle # being very high such as that 10/50/10 is typically used for annuals I believe. I would not use that on roses.

Adrianne

Miracle Grow reformulated their Bloom Booster last year, it's now 15-30-15.

Queen of Sweden is a lovely light pink with a faint apricot blush and very bs resistant and not at all unruly. It grows quite upright and can get rather tall. One of mine is about 7-8 ft tall--I don't quite know why, because the other two are more in the range of 4-5 ft tall (and about 3 ft wide). Perhaps not the quickest re-bloomer when it get really hot, but it is certainly a lovely bloomer when it does bloom. If you got several of them, make a hedge with them--they are great that way. But you can also scatter them around also. Just remember it is not a short shrub, so don't put it in the front row!

Sometimes it can take several years for the Austin shrubs to really hit their prime, so be patient.

Seven Austins for $35? Bargain of the century. Usually ONE Austin costs $35 all by itself! Enjoy!

Kate

Three Queens of Sweden--forming an informal short hedge between my neighbor's garage and my garage.

Wow, you got two really beautiful roses at an unbelievable price. I'm familiar with both, and together they should make a lovely combination colorwise. I used two Tradescants on a central arbor, and flanked them with another upright pink -- Alnwick (Queen of Sweden grows in a similar manner). The Tradescants bloomed like crazy and completely covered the arbor in well under a year. Here's a picture of a Tradescant bloom:

We have an evaluation of Tradescant and many other roses on Humpty Dumpty House facebook. Lots of photos including buds, blooms, leaves, shrub or vine, the arbor, etc. If you visit, please give us a page "like". This simple act can help us get the gardens reopened to the public after my lengthy hospitalization due to an injury. Here's the link:

https://www.facebook.com/HumptyDumptyHouse

Thanks -jannike

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I got to talk to Linda Chalker Scott a few years ago by phone...

Roses need 3x as much nitrogen as phosphate. Phosphate stays in the soil indefinitely, but available nitrogen leaches out in a month or so. If you use a high-P fertilizer like 5-10-5, you have to apply a 6-fold excess of P in order to get enough N. The dosage instructions on fertilizer labels aim at supplying the right amount of N without overdosing N, which does indeed burn plants.

Dingo do you know if Lowes has any roses in yet. I have to drive up your way to get to one of their stores. You know Knockout are fine but give a person a choice.

Did fined Flower Carpet at Home Depot. Rural King has Kordes roses the Kolorscape series but so far the same ones as last year. Obviously already bought those.

Patty they had knockouts and a bunch of the Easy Elegance roses. They had them inside still, so if you don't see them outside, go in and look! EE were like $17 I think. They had Music Box, Champagne wishes, Pinktopia, Superhero?, one with an elf name - sorry can't remember!, All the Rage , and maybe 1 or 2 more. I have Music Box now and really like it, and it did ok over the winter - died back pretty far but it's up and growing now. Seem to recall someone on here recommending Champagne Wishes, may go back for that one. Was at Menards, they have some of the same varieties potted and blooming as they had as bare roots. Looked healthy, $10? No Kordes that I've seen so far.

Strongest to my nose - Ebb Tide

favourite scent - Barbra Streisand/Papa Meilland/Frederic Mistral/Fire Fighter

Different Scent - Chartreuse de Parme/Big Purple

Strongest for me is Oklahoma. Not my favorite scent, it's so heady and strong. But absolutely the strongest.

Mr Lincoln is another very strongly scented rose that I find has a similar scent

Jude the obscure is my favorite scent. It has a delicious smell the I can just drink in all day. I never find it heavy or overpowering.

Tiffany is very nicely scented, similar to mr Lincoln albeit not as strong

Princess Alexandra of Kent is also a great one with a nice, sweet scent, perhaps similar to Jude, but not as strong.

Belinda's dream has a nice fruity scent, somewhat like berries

Those are great roses summer. They are gonna be huge. They look like my cape diamond roses. I was happy to get the only mister Lincoln at Walmart. Its fun to sort through the table of roses there. My yard is full. I hope you have a lot of room for all those Therese Bugnet.

Thanks Sam, I have been moving them around every night after work, I have to move 2 of them again tonight to bigger spots.... more ramblers, climbers are coming too. Something to do at lunch time, designing my back yard gardens. :-)

Thanks for the replies!

Diane - so Frederick mistral is the most scented from all of the ones you mentioned? Even more than BC? Wow I'm happy that's on my spring order! And I get a similarity between evelyn and jude the obscure, I don't know why!
How's FM as a rose?

Sell - you're right, you can relate many scents to a memory. Probably why I favor more over some. I love the fragrance of golden celebration, but I have to say the only fragrance that really caught my attention was Jude, evelyn and Sharifa Asma.

I have gertrude, but I only got one bloom off of her from a gallon sized plant last leat, so I'm hoping it gets stronger with time, the bloom was smaller and smelled nice but wasn't as strong as I read about. Hope that changes in the spring.

Drew

I find many of the Myrrh scents of DA roses are very similar (which I don't like). I agree there is a similarity between Munstead Wood and Frederic Mistral, but I find Evelyn quite different to my nose. Happy Child and Freisia smell similar at times. Papa Meilland, Firefighter and Barbra Streisand can smell very similar and totally delicious. Ebb tide and Crimson Glory are sometimes similar as well. I love the smell of Felicia. Is there another rose that smells like it?

For me, World War II Memorial was a blooming machine.

I only like the super fragrant ones so my favourites are New Zealand, Barbra Streisand, Frederic Mistral, Firefighter, Double Delight, Memorial Day, Beverly, Papa Meilland, Blue Moon, Fragrant Cloud and Stainless Steel. Augusta Luise is beautiful and fragrant but does not look like a HT to me. The bush and flowers are more like the Austin type roses.