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My little rose did not make it. As soon as I cut the brown stem back and moved it out into the sun after letting it sit outside in filtered light for 2 weeks to acclimate to the out doors it turned completely black and the stems turned into hard wood....
So very sad...
Thank you all for your advice and help.
Sorry Maybe you could try again with another rose that your daughter could get with you. I think something went wrong in the roots and the soil. Dry chemical fertilizers burn roots. It is too dry inside. The roots might have got a root rot. I think seedlings and cuttings need sterile potting soil and have to be misted and watered every day. A dome or plastic over to keep it humid while rooting and also a growlight might help. then go outside an hour a day. I have success with rooting in the ground outside. With a hose end mister for 4 hours. I also have had success with a rooter pot that clips on a live rose cane. Florist roses are grown in Columbia. They are a different type of rose. A squirrel or deer is different than here. I have not tried rooting a florist rose but it can be done. You almost had it! Keep trying with another rose. Life is not the destination but it is enjoying the journey.
Sam
The reason they sell you a non-existing rose named Dark Dragon is because they are not paying the appropriate royalties on that rose. Hybridizers make money when a rose labeled as "X" with a particular set of characteristics is sold as such. However, given the wide range of fairly similar roses, growers/nurseries have skirted paying royalties by selling a rose that is still under patent under another name. For instance, I have a huge rose bush of Firefighter and I like it so much I want to grow cuttings of it and sell the rose bushes. I would have to contact the American company that owns the rights to grow and sell that rose and pay them royalties for every Firefighter that I sell. This is often controlled by the companies with their sending me labels for each rose I intend to sell. Now say I don't fell like going through all that trouble and I'm not interested in sending the company $1 for each rose that I grew. I could turn around and sell my rose bushes of Firefighter under another name of a rose that is NOT under patent, say: Mr. Lincoln. Now I get the added benefit of growing a rose that I like and one that is modernized in disease susceptibility and vigorous growth, without paying for it. The down side is that I can't sell it under the more marketable name of Firefighter, but I'm able to keep more of the profits. Another tactic in this scenario is using a made-up name. I could come up with a bogus name, say Red Lovetastic or Blood Canticle, post it on the Wikipedia-like website HMF, and now I'm selling a rose while holding 100% of the profits. This is what Michigan Bulb does. You will find some mainstream roses that they do pay royalties to (i.e. Mustard & Ketchup, Heart of Gold, Falling in Love) but they don't pay them for varieties from a company that is more strict with whom gets to sell their patented roses (Jackson & Perkins). And yet another possibility is what happens when a grower (JP or Weeks) places a block of plants on wholesale clearance. In this case the grower is supposed to liquidate the plants by destroying them, but might turn around and sell them at a steep discount with the condition that the names of the roses not be given when sold at nurseries. You can note this if you go to Home Depot and see that they sell their roses for $10 or $15. The $10 rose will not include a name tag where the $15 does for that exact reason.
For each variety, there is an optimum stage for picking. Singles and semi-doubles can be picked when the sepals just begin to split, and they should be picked before the flower opens.. Most of the old fashioned roses with many short central petals will open easier than you think; most can be picked when the sepals have just dropped and before the petals separate. The hybrid teas with higher petal counts are best left alone until the first round of petals have opened around the bud. These are just rules of thumb, and you have to learn the exceptions. I'm not familiar with 'Pink Cloud'--does it have thin petals?
I had new canes coming out almost horizontally at the ground level from my KO rose also. They did turn out to be the correct KO rose. As the rose matured, they spread out and sent up laterals. So, I would WAIT until they bloom before you panic and start ripping them off. It might just be what KO roses do - many "ground cover roses" and even some of the old teas do the same thing - grow horizontally prior to getting more vertical. Patience is a virtue.
Jackie
29 should be a yawner. Like Kate says, it only matters when a really hard frost is predicted - 25F or so. Warmer temperatures aren't a problem. These are roses not tomatoes. (repeat that until it sinks in. Seriously)
Now this always does surprise me. The forsythia has just started blooming here, and most roses have barely broken dormancy. You people are so far ahead of us. Damaging hard frosts just aren't a problem we have.
It depends on how much colder than 32F it's going to be and for how long.
In my part of the world, Remay is a floating cover that's used to protect early crops. It's light weight, comes in two choices of how much cold it will repel and it may not be enough for zones to the north. But it may be worth your talking to local professionals to see what they use and when.
I use a lot of peat moss, but I don't mix it with a lot of organic stuff that also holds moisture (it depends on the mix for that). It can promote drainage, but it stays moist pretty long, too. Your mix may hold too much. Does the surface ever dry mostly out? I like mine to lose enough water over the days that you can tell it's definitely happening. Stop watering them and see how long it takes to notice them getting any drier at all.
I'm not quite understanding what you mean by packing them in compost fertilizer and peat moss? Is that what you planted them in? I live in 7b, so I don't worry about winter protection so much, but my soil is clay so water can retain in a hole if I don't plant them correctly. First when I dig my hole I dig it very big, normally 2 feet 6 inches deep by 2 feet 6 inches wide. I discard the soil from the bottom of the hole, as it has less nutrients, then in a wheel barrow I combine 1/3 soil from the hole, 1/3 peat moss and 1/3 organic mix. mix it all together to go back in the hole. We get very heavy rains here and I find they drain nicely.
Watering every other day is likely too much right now, as its not hot out, so like Meredith recommended I would cut down on the watering.
I didn't hear you mention putting the original soil back in the mix, to me that would be important, and make sure when you amend you soil its combined well before putting it back.
My next recommendation that likely has nothing to do with you water problem is don't fertilize your rose when planting it. Wait for your rose to get established and start showing new growth that wasn't there when you planted it that would be the best time to start fertilizing. Liquid fertilizer at half strength is what I use the first year, or if you use fish fertilizer full strength. I want my roses to work on building a good root system this year, not give me lots of growth above the soil.
Wonderful!!!! I love Oklahoma, but mine has no fragrance. Four years in a pot, and no fragrance. Some of my roses just don't get fragrance and I wonder if they need more heat than we get.
So I'll live vicariously through your wonderful smelling Oklahoma. Sigh.
Don't you just love red roses!!
Carol
Thanks jacqueline9CA & seil zone 6b MI. Greatly appreciate the advice. Have a good day.
Lisa ...
I inherited my 'Tiffany' when I bought my house. The rose had been deer-pruned for about a decade and was sited in a bed that was far too small for the plant. It survived both the neglect and poor siting and is now thriving in my garden. It is one of my favorite roses in this climate.
I hope you enjoy your new hobby.
Smiles,
Lyn
Hi Lyn,
Oh wow, amazing that the rose did so well! I planted this about a month and a half ago and am thrilled with the first blooms, hopefully they will keep getting better and better.
I do like my new hobby, there is a lot to learn and I am still on Roses 101 but taking notes :)
All the best,
Lisa
(didn't finish) All 12 are coming right along with buds starting to show. I'd give them a call.
Yes, definitely call them, and follow up with an email that includes photos. Good luck.