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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

Bees make your food possible. Without bees there would be no nuts, apples, stone fruits. Please don't kill the bees!

Go to any fabric store and get Tulle, as rhizo suggests. It's really cheap and quite sturdy. Hold it down with bricks or rocks.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 4:43PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Tulle sounds like a GREAT idea!

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 8:48PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Has anyone tried either of these roses on the east coast in a wet weather climate? Wondering how disease resistant... Thanks

    Bookmark   July 30, 2014 at 1:32PM
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Lala_E(GP, ZA (11))

Some additional info which may be of interest:

Plum Perfect / KORvodacom was commissioned from Kordes by South Africa's leading rosarian Ludwig Taschner (German expat). He selected it for a local cellphone company, Vodacom, whose corporate colour used to be blue until they rebranded some years ago. The rose is marketed as Vodacom, instead of Plum Perfect in South Africa. Ludwig is also responsible for commissioning and naming the South Africa & Desmond Tutu roses (bred by Kordes, used to be available from Chamblee & Palatine) and Rina Hugo / DORviz, which he named for and presented to the legendary SA entertainer.

The KORvodacom rose has been sold in South Africa since at least 2010 or 2011, if memory serves. Don't know about the version patented & sold in the USA which a previous poster mentioned is unscented, but the South African version is strongly scented. Looks wise, it is exactly like the one Mauvegirl pictured.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 7:55PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Thank you ratdogheads on the Stihl loopers. I need to buy a new set of loopers and these look great.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 12:17PM
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sweetbay103

Thanks for the suggestions!

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 7:44PM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

Judy ...

I think it is wonderful that people are offering possible solutions to your dry beds, but when I saw that you are planning to plant 15 roses in that area, my first thought was, "That's a lot of hard labor and it might not work."

I think you need to find out why the soil in that area is dry. Is it draining too fast ? or is it the composition of the soil ... ie the mineral components in the soil ? are their rocks deep down or an impenetrable layer of soil that directs water placed on the surface of the soil directing the water away from that area so that it doesn't hold moisture ? In other words, what's going on that makes that part of your property dryer than other parts of your garden. Know the "why" of something helps more to find a good solution for the long term.

No matter what you decide to do, I think it would be wise to experiment with fewer than 15 roses to find out what is going to work.

Gardening with roses in soil that is less than ideal can work, but a lot more work is required to keep them happy and thriving. I've done it and I won't stop as I now understand my soil/non-soil well enough to know what I need to do to compensate for it being less than ideal.

You might want to post this question to the Soil Forum.

Lyn

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 12:02PM
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Prettypetals_GA_7-8

Hi Lyn!! We had a bunch of trees removed about 6-7 years ago when my rose addiction started so I'm thinking that's why this area is so dry. This areas trees were removed prob 3 yrs ago and I planted lime lights like a bonehead that just kept zapping the water I'm sure but I've taken them out bc they were going to get way to big for the area and drooped every time it rained so out they came. If they start struggling I will just put them elsewhere. I know it's a lot of work but hope it works out. Thanks a bunch, Judy

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 4:42PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Ann, yep :) I have some Huey that a neighbor gave to me as a beautiful red rose and made me plant where she could see it bloom, lol, so I have compared leaves. I'm thinking not Huey, but it's close enough that I may be protecting Huey canes all winter. That's OK. The neighbors love him :D

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 4:23PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Worst case scenario is that it dies back every winter past its comfort zone and never blooms. Eden isn't a rose for zone pushing. Dr. Huey will at least put on some kind of display.

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 4:26PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

mintboxer,

Thanks, this is interesting. The active ingredient used in the Terminix mister is geraniol, a natural ingredient that occurs in rose oil and is secreted by honeybees.

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 10:17AM
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catsrose(VA 6)

Thank you, Michael, for checking the ingredients!

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 9:32AM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

Hi,

My little bit:

You mentioned your awareness of the fairy tale series, the veranda series, and the vigorosa series, but there are very interesting very recent Kordes roses that are not part of a series. They are classed as shrubs, floribundas, and hybrid teas.

In the thread: Hybrid Teas - No Way! the poster, newroses (whom I deduce is someone with a personal connection to the American Kordes operations) wrote that there are "trials going on the Kordes HTs in both Houston and Orlando Fl so we will let you know how they do as we get data. Savannah so far has done very well in Houston."

'Savannah' is a hybrid tea rose and newroses' statement means that 'Savannah' is getting good blackspot resistance reports in the Houston area. I've heard this report from another source as well.

'Poseidon' mentioned by prettypetals is a floribunda.

Kormelaus (I use the breeder designation because it is HIGHLY unlikely that it will be called 'Sonnenwelt' in the US), is classed as a "shrub." Kormelaus isn't available yet, I just mention it as example of a shrub.

Here is a link that might be useful: Kormelaus

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 8:45PM
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bayourose

Judy, Poseidon is one that I have on the list to try because I have heard good things about this rose. good to know that you have had such good luck with this rose! Thanks for all your wonderful suggestions! I hope to have bouquets of roses as pretty as yours one day!

Thanks to all for the information, it is much appreciated!
have a rosey day! Shannon

    Bookmark   September 24, 2014 at 7:35AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Insulation will not help if there are some hours at zero or below. The roots will be damaged.

The earth is a source of heat that keeps topsoil in the 20s when the air is zero. But on the deck, the roots are separated from the ground heat. So put the pot on the bare ground against the house foundation, preferably on the south or east side, and pile leaves around the pot. When temperatures will fall below 10, add some more leaves to protect the lower canes temporarily. Remove these during mild spells or as soon as the worst of winter is over. Mulching over the canes could encourage canker during mild weather.

This post was edited by michaelg on Tue, Sep 23, 14 at 15:00

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 2:56PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I'm not surprised that your roses didn't winter inside. Most homes do not have anywhere near the right conditions to make them happy. It's better to let them go dormant and protect them. Michael has good advice for winterizing them outside. That is exactly how I winter my 40 some potted roses. But if you have an unheated garage and only a few pots you can also winter them in there. Put them on blocks off the cement floor and water them once a month all winter and they should do OK. The reason you need to water them is because inside the garage they won't be getting any rain or snow on them, I have one rose that goes in my shed for the winter. What I usually do is dump a shovel full of snow on the top of the pot when ever we shovel. They don't need a lot of water but they do need some all winter long.

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 8:53PM
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diane_nj 6b/7a

Did you check with Palatine (I recommended asking them in the earlier thread) to see if they might have a mother plant and plans for offering in the next year or two?

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 3:44PM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

diane_nj,

That is very kind of you to mention, but I grow own root roses (I regret my two grafted exceptions) so I have to wait until it becomes available own root which usually takes even longer (an additional year or two).

The reason I didn't answer previously is that your information might very well be useful for those who prefer grafted roses.

Though not for me, I thank you for the information nonetheless.

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 8:10PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Looks like a mum to me also. I love seeing their blooms every autumn.

Kate

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 1:45PM
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Rafagon

Thank you very kindly, seil and dublinbay!

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 2:08PM
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the_bustopher z6 MO

I have both of them, and both need to be sprayed. Melody Parfumee gets to be a very large bush and normally has quite a few flowers. Both varieties are fragrant. Heirloom appears to be more sensitive to late frost damage in the spring although both are affected.

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 12:15AM
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bethnorcal9

I have both and MELODY PARFUMEE is far superior to HEIRLOOM. In my climate MP grows up as high as 6ft sometimes and the blooms go thru a wonderful range of shades and tones of mauve, lavender and magenta. The form is much more pleasing to me, whereas HEIRLOOM's is more loose and informal, and it blows way faster. It's not one of my favorite roses, that's for sure. Scent-wise I couldn't tell you. I don't really go for the smell factor; I like the visual effect best. Truth be told, tho, I do seem to remember HEIRLOOM having more of a scent than MP. At least as far as mine go....

    Bookmark   September 23, 2014 at 11:57AM
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bcroselover(5)

My Blueberry Hill is a weak performer, I get only three to five blooms a year and it doesn't grow to full size. It does get bs, but Cornell formula stops it. I learned on this website they are prone to RRD. But mine is growing on its own roots. I hope that gives it protection, it's never had a serious infection. I keep because, well, just look at the blooms.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 5:58PM
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bcroselover(5)

I forgot to say, after the first year with Blueberry Hill, I was so pleased that I bought another one on its own roots. It also remained small. They were said to be "shade tolerant" and mine were getting 4-1/2 to 5 hours of sun a day. Nevertheless, I took the second one over to my friend's house where it would have over 6 hours a day. It did much better and quickly produced considerably more blooms for him.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 6:14PM
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thonotorose

Finally a name! Thank you...

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 5:11PM
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boncrow66

Regardless of how they got to my area I wish they would go away. They are invasive and from what I have read bad for the Eco system by killing insects that birds would normally eat.

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 6:06PM
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prairielaura(6b)

Another vote for PJP, but only if it is grafted. VERY slow to please as an own-root.

    Bookmark   March 10, 2014 at 12:51PM
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wendit

Full sail balls up for most of the year in the pacific northwest. Some nice blooms come August. I would not recommend

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 1:02PM
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henry_kuska

I received this today concerning rose rosette virus in Tulsa Okaloma.

https://www.facebook.com/tulsaworld/posts/10152403218101446

Here is a link that might be useful: Tulsa World article

    Bookmark   September 21, 2014 at 10:12PM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

Henry, thank you so much. I did not see the article, and have been very disappointed in what has happened to our rose garden in Tulsa. I even went to a Rose Society meeting there last week, but the devastation of the garden never came up.

I am so glad that they are going to upgrade it for handicap access. Possibly in years to come it will again be a beautiful attraction in our park.

Sammy

    Bookmark   September 22, 2014 at 8:18AM
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