6,340 Garden Web Discussions | Growing from Seed

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flora_uk(SW UK 8/9)

Any plant which produces pods is designed by nature to spread its seed by the pod bursting open. It will not do this until the seed is properly ripe. So you need to watch the pods until they are dry and on the point of opening naturally to get the ripest seed. For your Koelreuteria (I assume, rather than Laburnum) the seed has already been dispersed by the tree, so that would be the best to gather. Unless, of course it has dropped some substandard seed prematurely or the seed has been lying around a while in poor conditions. In which case maybe wait for the nice fat looking pods still on the tree to mature and then get them as soon as they fall.

    Bookmark     November 21, 2012 at 2:18PM
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RetiredFlorida(9)

Thanks Flora, I kinda had that feeling after I sat, peeling open too many pods that I "took" off the tree. All the seeds were green and then I thought, that would be awful to offer someone seeds that were not viable. I just googled the tree again and saw a photo of the "ripe" seeds, being black.

Darren

    Bookmark     November 21, 2012 at 8:25PM
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terrene(5b MA)

I am a "seed person" too! Here's a few examples of great pleasures for me:

- Enjoying the numerous assorted seedlings that sprout in mature gardens

- stumbling on little seedling "surprises"

- Seeing the first green seed leaves show up!

- Appreciating the genetic diversity amongst your seedlings, some are taller, some shorter, some plants bloom earlier than others

- Finding an interesting or unique seedling and anticipating what it could mature into!

- Collecting seed on a mild and sunny September or October out in the wild, and enjoying the company of the birds or an occasional late season butterfly

- collecting extra and sharing seeds with others

- scattering a little native seed, such as common milkweed Asclepias syriaca along wild field edges, hoping to cultivate more Monarch habitat!

And there are many more, too numerous to list!

    Bookmark     November 18, 2012 at 6:40PM
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bugbite(z9a FL)

Terrene,
Wonderful post. I could visualize and enjoy each point you made.
Thanks!

    Bookmark     November 18, 2012 at 9:35PM
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albert_135(Sunset 2 or 3)

Scratch the seed with a nail file before soaking.

    Bookmark     November 8, 2012 at 3:40PM
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susanzone5(z5NY)

I grow them every year just by planting them in potting mix, about an inch deep.

    Bookmark     November 17, 2012 at 5:59PM
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kayjones(Mo6b)

This is a great site - THANKS for the link - here's a clickable link to the site!

Here is a link that might be useful: Tutorial on germinating different seeds

    Bookmark     November 16, 2012 at 8:49AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

In other words regardless of source, are all Better Boy F1 seeds created equal?

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With that particular variety since it is well stabilized, likely so since the seeds from all the common hybrids are usually purchased by the reputable commercial suppliers from just a few grower sources and then re-sold to the public. Of course that would not be the case if you buy from individual sellers (IE: those on ebay, amazon, etc.) so you need to stick with reputable vendors.

But that is NOT true for all varieties. There are literally 100's of hybrid varieties where the quality all depends on the source of the seed.

You can find any number of discussions about reputable dealers and non-reputable seed dealers discussed on the Growing Tomatoes forum here. My personal preferences are tomatogrowers.com and tomatofest.com

Dave

    Bookmark     November 2, 2012 at 7:31PM
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bugbite(z9a FL)

Hmm, I never heard of F1s being limited to certain growers.
Patented cuttings are limited to licensed growers.
They pay a royalty per cutting, which will be rooted and grown to a plant.
The royalty in a F1 seed is paid in the price of each seed.
The objective is to sell a lot of seeds, and that includes to the public.

Here is a link that might be useful: random seed page

    Bookmark     November 14, 2012 at 11:10PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

A Z4 winter will give them more cold than they need but you could try winter sowing them. Approx 2-3 months at 35-40F before bringing back to about 70F should help in germination. But the fruit from any vines resulting could be variable and not have all the characteristics of the grapes the seeds were taken from.

    Bookmark     November 6, 2012 at 11:48AM
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yiorges-z5il

give it a try THEN let usknow what happons

    Bookmark     November 3, 2012 at 5:38PM
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marricgardens

I tried them and the 'seeds' just rotted. There are still babies growing on the top of the stalk so I am trying to root several of those, so far so good. Marg

    Bookmark     November 6, 2012 at 8:42AM
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yiorges-z5il

Thanks

    Bookmark     November 3, 2012 at 5:36PM
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jonathanchuang1

Ah, the seller said that they'll send some soil that the original plant was grown in along with the seeds.

    Bookmark     November 1, 2012 at 1:32AM
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PrairieDock

In that case it'll probably have the fungus, give it a try!

    Bookmark     November 2, 2012 at 8:49AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Your expectations of how long germination is going to take needs an adjustment - aconitum from dried commercial seed takes patience. And when some germination does take place, it can be erratic, meaning not all seedlings will appear at the same time - they may be days, or weeks apart.

Self sown by the plants, the seeds would be exposed to warm (relatively speaking) Fall rains, then a cold moist winter, to germinate close to Spring when temps begin to warm again.
As monkshood from commerical seed can be difficult, sometimes best to try copying mother nature.

You can do that by giving the seeds a warm moist period of 2-4 weeks, moving to 40F for 6 weeks, then bringing back to warm.

    Bookmark     November 1, 2012 at 12:48PM
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NemJones(5)

Morz8, thanks for the help, but I do know they have differing periods of germination. I had atleast 3 sets sitting in 30-40
F temperature for 3-4 weeks, and still waiting for germination. I do know they have different temp ranges.. so I guess keep on waiting..

    Bookmark     November 1, 2012 at 4:16PM
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terrene(5b MA)

Poppies also seriously resent any root disturbance; in my experience you can transplant but only when very tiny (cotyledon stage or so) and then you must be careful not to disturb roots.

My poppies have always done best via direct sowing in late winter/early spring.

    Bookmark     October 20, 2012 at 7:34PM
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NemJones(5)

In my experience, DO NOT EVER plant those "bio degradable"
peat pots or jiffy pots. Very nice starter pots, but they stunt the poor plants. Had some tomatoes like this. One was 2-3 feet bigger than its partner. I dug up the small one, and it was instantly apparent that the peat pot had stunted it.

My recommendation, (IF YOU CAN)cut the fabric off the peat moss, and leave the moss intact. find a place in the yard or a suitable pot, and repot. Dont disturb the seedlings roots.

    Bookmark     October 31, 2012 at 4:17PM
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susanzone5(z5NY)

take apart a seedhead and see how far developed the seeds are. if they look dark and well developed, then you can cut them off and dry them on a paper plate indoors for a few days.

    Bookmark     October 28, 2012 at 10:23AM
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yiorges-z5il

If the pod is green then the chanches of the seed being ripe is slim
I always delay collection untill the pod open up & starts to show the seed

    Bookmark     October 25, 2012 at 1:30PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

The pods should turn brown and crack open. In other words, they have to ripen on the plant like other seeds. Caster bean seeds are readily available by mail order. There are some really neat varieties.

    Bookmark     October 25, 2012 at 5:54PM
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lizatgar

Thank you nil13! My bank is about 8-10 feet tall, and the run of the hill is 15-20 feet. 100% slopes would be completely vertical - can't imagine that! Thanks for your suggestion, I'm wondering if the mulch is easy to maintain. Do I need to add mulch every year, and keep weeding? Since it is a large area, it will cost a lot of money and work to mulch and weed. That is why I was thinking about an "aggressive" ground cover to control weeds.

Also, do you have any idea how much the mulch and plugs will cost including labor? I'm totally new to gardening and have no idea...

    Bookmark     October 18, 2012 at 9:23AM
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nil13(z21 L.A., CA (Mt. Washington))

A 100% slope is actually 1:1 or a 45deg slope, but I have donned my rappelling gear and planted on vertical faces.

Yes, the mulch will have to be replenished from time to time. I wish I could tell you how often but there are some variables. I also can't tell you costs because I don't know about either your plant or labor market. You can also get mulch for cheap or free from tree trimmers and some municipalities offer free composted mulch from green bins. You will also have to weed regardless, but the mulch makes it easier.

Aggressive groundcover can itself become a weed, especially if it self sows. Plus, weeds are by their nature aggressive and can compete with a lot of aggressive groundcovers, at least for a little while. When I say shrubs, they can be groundcovers as well. They are just low growing shrubs. You can also mulch heavily (8-12") and sow perennial shrub seed. That is a proven restoration technique, although weeds will still come up.
Since you are new to gardening, I will recommend this site, The Informed Gardener, especialy the bits about mulch.

    Bookmark     October 18, 2012 at 12:04PM
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