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franknjim

Don't gauge when to start things based on what I am doing. I'm crazy. I start many things too early and do a lot of pinching back to keep it under control until I can get things outside which isn't until the first couple of weeks in April around here.

    Bookmark     February 27, 2012 at 4:53PM
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fixerupperinnh(5)

This is the set up I have in my basement.

My hubby installed the utility sink for me last year. It makes life a whole lot easier.

    Bookmark     March 1, 2012 at 3:43PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

All of those can be direct seeded after all danger of frost has passed. And honestly without having at least a light set-up for starting them indoors direct seeding will give you the best results.

Determine what your last frost date is for your area is then add a week to that for safety and plant your seeds.

If you can invest in what is needed to start seeds indoors then the perennials on your list will benefit the most from a head start of 6-8 weeks.

Enjoy your flowers.

Dave

    Bookmark     March 1, 2012 at 12:14PM
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athenainwi

You might want to look into wintersowing. I've wintersowed columbine and it worked very, very well. Now it sows itself and I just pull up the ones in bad spots. Wintersowing costs very little and gives you a bit more control over the elements than direct seeding.

    Bookmark     March 1, 2012 at 3:40PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Agree, the pods need to turn brown - watch them, or bag them with a length of nylon stocking and twist ties, so they don't crack open and spill the seed before you get to it. Note the suggestion to plant immediately after the pod has ripened.

Orlando Sentinel, Mar 1997: Each cigar-shaped pod is more than a foot long and contains dozens of seeds. Wait until the pods start to crack before picking them. Then gather a few pods, and place them in a bag to open and release the seeds.Tabebuia seeds should be planted immediately in a loose potting mix. Cover them lightly with soil, and follow these tips:Keep the soil moist by watering when the surface starts to dry.Grow the seedlings in the full sun.Feed weekly with a half-strength 20-20-20 fertilizer solution.

    Bookmark     February 29, 2012 at 9:27PM
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Brandee.1969(9)

Excellent! Thank you both for the direction and info!

    Bookmark     March 1, 2012 at 12:23PM
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franknjim

What did you get?

    Bookmark     February 29, 2012 at 6:01PM
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gltrap54

Yeeep........... Started my Scorpion seeds today!

    Bookmark     February 29, 2012 at 8:19PM
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gltrap54

Thanks keriann lakegeneva!

    Bookmark     February 29, 2012 at 6:51PM
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keriann_lakegeneva(5B WI/IL border)

I have about 3 jugs that I fill up and then wait to use them the next day. I have never tried using water right out of the tap as my city water is full of chlorine. I leave it out for 8 hours and it doesn't stink like chemicals anymore and it is easy to do!

Come on Spring!

    Bookmark     February 29, 2012 at 7:51PM
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t-bird(Chicago 5/6)

I like your site! Good luck with your seedlings!

oh - I did have a giggle when you described yourself and your roommate as "collage students".....

    Bookmark     February 24, 2012 at 8:55AM
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TheAnticlimactic

Trishcuit, I find the convenience unparalleled, and I usually try to minimize transplanting, so their perfect for me to just germinate directly in the cup. I found out last year though that transplanting isn't all that bad... I think they compensate for whatever stunting that happens with the added space for the roots, which allows them to grow a lot faster than they were before transplant.

t-bird, Whoooops :0. Thanks for pointing that one out. It pretty much sums up my collEge experience though... misspellings everywhere! I'm in more of an engineering program, so spelling isn't exactly my forte (although I do like to read and write a lot). Thanks for the encouragement. I just updated the site with some pictures of recent growth. Check it out :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Pictures of Plants Growing (1)

    Bookmark     February 29, 2012 at 4:05PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Agree. Too wet and not enough air circulation. Cutting back on watering and using a small fan to increase air circ solves the problem.

As to using the domes - not a direct cause of the alage, too wet soil under the dome was. But not using them to begin with is a definite plus. If used they MUST be removed as soon as the plants even begin to break the soil surface.

The darn advertisers that show all these pics of plants happily growing under the domes do gardeners a real dis-service.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 26, 2012 at 4:38PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

I think a large part of the difference between your success and your wife's problems, is related to the fact you are growing seeds that germinate in three days, while hers takes three weeks. Al

    Bookmark     February 28, 2012 at 9:23AM
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mccommas(z5CT)

The flower on the package almost looks like Fever Few except that turned out to be toxic!

    Bookmark     February 27, 2012 at 6:44PM
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flora_uk(SW UK 8/9)

mccommas - feverfew needs to be taken in large quantities to have adverse effects. It is not in the foxglove league.

Here is a link that might be useful: Feverfew discussion

    Bookmark     February 28, 2012 at 8:36AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Too many variables to know. Weather - some nights it will be plenty of insulation with no added heat, other nights you may have to double the cover on the low tunnel or up the heat. Some nights it may even be too hot in there. It's the fickle nature of early spring weather. We have the same issues in the greenhouses.

As long as you can closely monitor the temps and adjust as needed you can make it work but it takes real close monitoring, lots of thermometers, and often more than 1 source of heat.

Dave.

    Bookmark     February 27, 2012 at 7:46PM
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keriann_lakegeneva(5B WI/IL border)

Hi!
I am down in zone 5 too. I plant my cold weather crops in pots and trays most of the time. Our growing season is so short, you are correct,it is hard to get succession plantings without a hoop house in the beginning. Planting in pots and trays warms faster and I can plant earlier then in the ground. Plus, if I get a late frost I can bring them in or cover them easily.

I did plant lettuce and spinach in-between my tomato rows last year. I planted the cold crops first then the tomatoes around May 15th. So I hard both crops out for a bit, but by the time the tomatoes got big, the cold crops were done.

I hope that helps

Keriann~

    Bookmark     February 27, 2012 at 8:30AM
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highwaygardener(5)

Thank you Keriann, you have helped a ton. I think that you're right--I need to just plan that the Spring and Summer crops will be in the same ground for a short time. I think it will be okay because tomatoes always take about four weeks to take off and get big after you plant them and so do the other Summer crops that we plant. And most spring vegies are kinda puny--except for broc and peas.

    Bookmark     February 27, 2012 at 11:58AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Once all the seed pots have sprouted I can remove the plastic cover from the miniature greenhouse, and then the chilies can get some good fresh (indoor) air.

Those pots that have already sprouted really need to be removed from under the cover as soon as they sprout, as soon as the seedlings break the soil service. Keeping them covered only encourages damp-off to develop and leggy plants because of the limited light. There is no benefit to keeping them covered and exposure to air, especially moving air is vital. I assume you know that the plastic covers are not required for germination. They are just a convenience for the grower and any cover should be removed for a period of time 2-3x daily for air exposure.

be sure to avoid moving the seed pots around too much if you don't have to. Also, you probably shouldn't touch the sprouts either. Their delicate stalks are very fragile and it would be a shame to break them and have to start over from seed again.

May ask what's the source of this info? It is contrary to standard practice. In the greenhouse we transplant 100's of seedlings, peppers included, at the cotyledon stage every day. With even minimal care it is easy to do and the plants not only tolerate it but benefit from it as well.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 15, 2012 at 5:20PM
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blufloyd(5 cent. il.)

Just back into the gardenweb. Not far from anywhere in Illinois.

Didn't knw a chili farm was even in Illinois.

    Bookmark     February 26, 2012 at 9:52PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Since it is primarily a South American tropical I'm just guessing that it isn't a big demand item in the US - thus the lack of seeds. And trying to find a South American based seed supplier seems to be more difficult than most any place else for some reason.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 25, 2012 at 5:39PM
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bronxfigs

Dave...

I'm guessing the same thing. But the nursery industry/plant retailers are in business to make a buck, and I believe that they would sell anything if there was a demand. Being a tropical plant, I would think, means little, if the public buys their products. The markets are loaded with Brugmansia, Hibiscus, and other plants that are not native to the US, and they have been mass produced, retailed for years in Garden Centers all over the world.

I'm now wondering if this plant has some major problems when grown in quantities needed for distribution? Who knows?

Anyway, I bought a few packets from your source. Now I will see what happens, assuming I successfully germinate the seeds.

Frank

    Bookmark     February 26, 2012 at 7:32AM
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dsb22(z7 VA)

Last month I germinated lettuce, spring onions and radishes indoors, then hardened them off and put them in a small greenhouse I purchased from amazon. It is only about 6' tall and 2' wide and fits nicely into a corner of our deck. I think it is functioning similarly to a cold frame. Like others have mentioned, the only drawback I've found is needing to monitor the internal temperature of the greenhouse. Once external temps get to about 60 outside, it is blazing hot inside and I have to remember to open it up. Other than that, it's working well for me. I'm planning to move pansy seedlings out to it soon. I am waiting to start tomatoes and peppers indoors closer to our last frost date though.

    Bookmark     February 16, 2012 at 11:38PM
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t-bird(Chicago 5/6)

gjcore - that frame looks awesome! What is your protocol for turning on the lights? And I assume that your temps for opening etc. are for daytime highs?

    Bookmark     February 24, 2012 at 9:10AM
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keriann_lakegeneva(5B WI/IL border)

I think it was because the dome was left on after germination. Right after the seeds show sings of life of break the surface the dome should be removed. The plant went into shock in my opinion. From super humid and hot under the dome to the correct climate of less humid and 75* and direct light. I would keep the dome off and see how they do. Don't over water and maybe start a few more if you need more. Just be sure to remove them from the dome as soon as they germinate, they will have much better chances.

FYI- domes are just used to keep the top of the soil moist while they germinate.. that is their only 'job'.

Good luck!

Keriann~

    Bookmark     February 24, 2012 at 7:37AM
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art33(6)

Hi HWG,

I suppose whether or not the celery seeds are still good would depend on how hot they really got. My guess would be that they are still good but refuse to germinate at those higher temperatures. According to the chart linked below, the optimal germination temperature for celery is 68 deg. and it will not germinate at all at much higher temperatures. I'd try moving the celery pots to a much cooler place and give them another week or so. According to the chart, they should start germinating in about seven days.

Hope this is helpful,

Art

Here is a link that might be useful: Germination Temperature Chart

    Bookmark     February 23, 2012 at 5:49PM
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highwaygardener(5)

Thanks, Art.

I moved the celery to the top of a piece of furniture that's out of the sun, but the temp there still gets up to 75 deg due to our woodstove, so I'll have to look again for another place. Perhaps a room on the north side of the house.

I sure do hope that they'll sprout now! They've had time to be wet, so I hope that they don't just turn to tiny little grains of mush. I guess we'll find out!

I transplanted some of the broc seedlings into the former pansy pots, so now we have 20 broc pots instead of the 10 I'd planned. I figured that we'd better go with our strengths!

I hadn't thinned out all the seedlings yet from the original pots, so I still had plenty of strong seedlings to choose from the extra seed we'd planted.

    Bookmark     February 23, 2012 at 6:59PM
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