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henrydx(9)

thank you :). I forgot to ask do you recommend a type of starting soil? I tried a potting mix but it didn't work too well because the surface became kind of hard (even though i watered it every 2 days)

    Bookmark     January 17, 2010 at 11:47AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

If starting indoors, buy a bag of seed starting mix. It will be sterile, often made of fine peat and vermiculite.

You can use the potting/container mix if starting outdoors. Top the pot with a little chick grit (in a pinch, look for a box of parakeet gravel at the pet section of your grocery store) or vermiculite, will prevent a rain from moving the seeds around and will prevent a crust forming should the top layer dry out.

    Bookmark     January 18, 2010 at 10:02AM
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zen_man

Mike,

"I haven't figured out what bananas want..."

Where did you get banana seeds? Most, if not all, "grocery store" bananas are triploids, and hence sterile, because seeds of triploids are not viable.

ZM

    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 2:38PM
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wordwiz

From banana seed sites! I have about 22 different types, none of them seem easy to germinate, at least not in 8-10 weeks.

Balbisiana Banana
Giant Nepal Banana
Thomson's Edible Banana
Royal Sweet Banana
Giant Yunnan Banana
Musa Coccinea ( Scarlet Banana )
Musa Ensete ( Ethiopian Banana )
Musa x. Paradisiaca ( Dwarf Cavendish Edible Banana )
Musa Rosacea ( Flowering Rose Banana )
Musa Velutina ( Velvet Pink Banana )
Musa Zebrina ( Striped Banana )
Darjeeling Banana Musa sikkimensis
Red Flash Banana
Thai Gold Banana
Dwarf Indian Banana
Cheeseman's Banana
Abyssianian Banana
Monkey Fingers Banana
Cold Hardy Banana
Ensete glaucum (Snow Banana)
Ensete ventricosum
French Banana Musa Paradisiaca
Violet Banana Musa Violacea
Thailand Rock Banana Ensete Superbaum

Mike

    Bookmark     January 17, 2010 at 10:54PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Yes, there is a FAQ here about it. What you are seeing is fungus - they exist in the air and in soil and only sprout and spread under what is ideal - for them - conditions. Too moist mix, inadequate air circulation, warm temps, and insufficient light are the conditions they need.

It is easily prevented/controlled by letting the soil surface dry out between waterings, cutting way back on the over-watering (we all water way too much ;), increasing the air circulation - many use a small fan - increasing the light exposure, and decreasing the surrounding air temps - fan does that too.

Fungi won't grow unless we create the ideal conditions for them.

Dave

    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 1:18PM
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armymomma(CenTX 8)

I came here to ask that very question myself! should the affected cells be removed and reseeded? I have about 6 out of a 72 cell tray that have some white fuzz on top, and since they are peppers have not sprouted yet. they are on a self watering mat if that mkes a difference.

    Bookmark     January 17, 2010 at 8:26PM
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nckvilledudes(7a NC)

Sleepy, got the seeds from Valueseeds that I had ordered before they shut the site down. It does look like I made it in just under the wire!

    Bookmark     January 16, 2010 at 8:09PM
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sleepy33(5b KS)

Lucky you!! Enjoy :)

    Bookmark     January 17, 2010 at 10:41AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Details are on the Winter Sowing form (linked top of this forum page) on how to convert these as well as many other types of plastic containers. Winter Sowers use every kind of plastic bottle they can get their hands on to make mini-greenhouses. ;)

Dave

    Bookmark     January 14, 2010 at 1:50PM
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    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 10:33PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

I liked the idea and made one from a battery powered Oral-B flossing tool. It is easy to epoxy the seed tray onto the flossing fork. It provides more agitation than needed, but can be damped down by dragging the tray on the soil. It gives me an idea for making a seed winnowing tool that could save a lot of time cleaning my saved seed! The removable flossing fork would make it possible to use different home made trays on the same tool. Al

    Bookmark     January 14, 2010 at 8:11AM
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Monte(6-NE NJ)

There ya' go. Innovation.

I've found that "damping" is a matter of how far down the channel you grip.

A little pinch slows the action down if need be.

Website is blowin' up.

6000+ page views and counting in a few days.

Cool beans.

    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 9:47PM
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goblugal(7)

Karen,
this should help:

Here is a link that might be useful: Benary

    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 12:51PM
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ohiopeppers

Thanks for the link.

Karen

    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 9:12PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

What zone are you in? What kind of temps are we talking about? What kind of vegetables? Most annuals aren't even direct seeded until all danger of frost is past so that by the time they sprout a couple of weeks has passed and temps have risen quite a bit. Can you add heat to the cold frame as needed?

Obviously few things can stand freezing temps except a few of the leafy greens like lettuce and many things won't even tolerate low 40's. Length of time exposed to low 40's we also affect some things. They may take a few hours but not a few days.

Need more specific information/details please but if that's not possible then I guess all you can do is insure that it's kept well above freezing. ;)

Dave

    Bookmark     January 12, 2010 at 9:49PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

Many seeds do very well germinating even better as a result of winter temperatures, and the fluctuating of those temperatures. Look into the "winter sowing" forum. Al

    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 9:16AM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

You have been given excellent advice. I am very impatient and over the years have destroyed many seedlings trying to "help" them shed the seed coat. My advice "KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF"! Al

    Bookmark     January 13, 2010 at 9:28AM
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mary_littlerockar(8a-7b mid Arkansas)

My thanks to everyone who replied. Your comments have been very helpful to the health of my little seeds.

I kept my hands to myself and as you said, the little cotyledons are pushing the seed coats smack dab off! :-) woohoo, everything is looking good so far.

Mary

    Bookmark     January 15, 2010 at 8:27AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Both are hybrids and new ones at that. FAIK they are not old enough to have stabilized and are primarily sold only as plants - no one seems to offer F2 seeds but they may breed close to the original. If you have seeds about all you can do is try them and see what you get.

Dave

    Bookmark     January 14, 2010 at 6:57PM
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jaynine

I believe it's common practice for seed companies to test germination of large amounts of seed stock left over from previous years. If the results meet their standards, they use it for the current year's sales. Most probably have climate controlled seed storage areas, also, helping extend shelf life.

    Bookmark     January 12, 2010 at 8:03PM
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suewith4cats

Thank you all for your responses. I feel so much better investing my time in these seeds with your advice.

    Bookmark     January 14, 2010 at 4:35PM
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oilpainter(3)

The problem I see with tin cans is the heat they would draw. Set a tin can in the sun and after a couple of hours you can barely touch it. Your plants roots will be against that and fry.

The rest of your plan sounds fine. Be sure to mulch for extra winter protection, whether planted or in pots. If you do plant them be sure to give them a couple of weeks before the ground is frozen for their roots to settle in.

If you set small pots on your deck be sure to set them in a tray or something, and be prepared to do a lot of watering. Small pots dry out fast and they don't have much soil to give them weight so they will be blowing around unless anchored.

To tell the truth I would plant them this spring and mark them with a stake or plant tag printed with permanent marker. They would grow better and some perennials bloom the first year.

    Bookmark     January 13, 2010 at 6:49AM
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whiteoakian(6)

Oilpainter - hey, thanks for the post. I hadn't thought of the heat in the tin. That could be a big problem. I suppose I need to clear out and till some areas and plant them in the ground after all and just move them as I get the final places ready. I'll have to work on that. I'm glad I posted. That may have been a lot of extra work for me for really bad results.
Thanks again
Susan

    Bookmark     January 13, 2010 at 8:45AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sure. Many seed starting mixes are 50/50 peat and vermiculite. Several are straight peat and Jiffy Mix is commonly recemmended for seed starting.

Many of us prefer no perlite at all so I know several folks who'd be happy to take it off your hands. ;)

Dave

    Bookmark     January 11, 2010 at 6:31PM
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dicot

It is fine for germination, but as it's a sterile, soilless mix blended for drainage and some moisture retention with plenty of pore space for oxygen, there are essentially no nutrients that the seedling can depend on once it has expended the food stored in the seed's cotyledon. That means you need to fertilize or transplant quickly or your seedlings will die in that mix.

    Bookmark     January 11, 2010 at 6:53PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Druse, Making More Plants" Rudbekia maxima, fresh seed, sow barely covered as some light may be beneficial to germination, 70F, germination in 5 - 21 days.

Rudbeckia maxima, (Clothiers database, suggestions are most often for stored dry seed), Sow 68ºF, if no germination in 3-4 wks, move pot to 39ºF for 2-4 wks, bring back to warm

Three months stratifying is probably overkill for rudbeckia....why don't you try sowing some rather than the baggie of seeds, barely cover or cover only with a little grit.

    Bookmark     January 10, 2010 at 11:39AM
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sarahbarah27(5)

I chilled mine for about a month. Then put them in a sunny winter, where it stays cool. And up they came!!!

    Bookmark     January 11, 2010 at 8:52AM
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oilpainter(3)

kawaiineko gardener.
There is a reason cool season vegetables are called cool season vegetables. They germinate better in cool weather and cool soil. and grow better with cool air.
Radish sure doesn't need a head start. It's up in a couple of days and usable within the month.Start your peas lettuce and radish as soon as you can work the soil, even if it's before the last frost date--they won't freeze unless there is a ver hard frost and maybe not even then.

I have never started bush beans inside. I don't know if they would do well or not. Frankly to grow enough they would take up too much room and they do well in the garden.

The rest by all means start early inside, but be sure to harden them off before setting out

    Bookmark     January 9, 2010 at 3:59PM
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kawaiineko_gardener(5a)

The stuff I'm planting won't be being grown in the ground. I plan to do container gardening; unfortunately I don't have room where I live to set up and prepare a plot in the ground.

I plan to use earthboxes, which are a self-watering variety
of container gardening.

Since I'm going to be growing stuff via container gardening, should I still start growing the stuff from seed in my containers for cool weather vegetables in Mid-march?
Also I realize that cool weather vegetables like cool weather and grow best in cool weather. However I also realize they have their limits and if it's too cold they'll die. Is the weather going to be too cold to plant cool weather vegetables in Northern Michigan in mid-march to grow cool weather vegetables?

    Bookmark     January 9, 2010 at 4:37PM
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