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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Ferns produce spores, not seed, and I don't find a lot of information on this one. Ferns in general:
You must sterilize the growing medium or you will have problems of competition from algae and mosses.
For all species you need to maintain reasonably high humidity. (i.e. sealing pots in plastic bags, or sowing under glass.)
Don't sow the spores too thickly.
Most species need good but not direct light.

Here is a link that might be useful: Moss, Ferns & Cryptogams Forum

    Bookmark     October 21, 2009 at 2:17PM
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token28001(zone7b NC)

I tossed out crimson clover two weeks ago. I did not cover it at all. Mine are mostly done sprouting and have their first leaves. If the soil is easily worked, you should be okay. If it's hard clay, you will probably get spotty germination.

    Bookmark     October 15, 2009 at 1:40PM
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emyers(8 SC)

Crimson Clover seems to be doing well actually. Rye is another story. It looks like it DEFINITELY prefers to be covered. All the seed that is sitting on top has roots growing out of it but appears rarely to be actually taking root.
That being said, there is some germination going on (little brown twiggy looking things) but it is no where near the amount as the clover. I'm wondering if the rye seed might be pulling itself in somehow.... seems unlikely with all the seed sitting on top, but when I walk out daily, there just doesn't seem to be as much seed sitting on the surface.

Will just keep checking.

Eddie

    Bookmark     October 17, 2009 at 9:57PM
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yiorges-z5il

the ones planted outsid should survive the winter......
As for the flat best to keep in greenhouse. make sure the soil stays damp all winter & cover with plastic, straw, or leaves to delay evaporation of the water..... but hold off till the seedlings tops are dead......

    Bookmark     October 12, 2009 at 11:42AM
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terrene(5b MA)

I winter-sowed Lobelia cardinalis in winter 2008, got many seedlings. Planted some and potted some in small pots. The ones that were planted out were promptly eaten by slugs, because that summer was SO wet, but the potted ones did well over the summer. I finally planted most of those out on November 7th (yes that is pretty late, but I keep detailed records and that's what the spreadsheet says!), leaving about half a dozen in small pots. All the Cardinal flower seedlings did fine over winter 2009 and bloomed well this summer. So, in my experience this is a pretty hardy little plant, tolerating colder and drier conditions than I expected.

This year I noticed that the Cardinal flower in my hummingbird garden has also self-sowed here and there, so there is lots of it for the Hummers next year. :)

    Bookmark     October 17, 2009 at 12:37AM
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neohippie(8b)

When you transfer them to individual pots, try planting them deeply, up to their first set of leaves. They'll probably be ok.

Consider investing in a grow light. That way you won't have to trust the weather. I used to start seedlings using natural light, but I had the same problem you did. If they happened to come up during a bit of cloudy weather they'd get leggy. It's nice to have a grow light for a backup at least. They're not very expensive either.

Warm temps can do that too, or can at least make the legginess worse, but that seems more out of our control than light (unless, I guess, you can put your growlight setup in your air-conditioned house). I have my growlight seed-starting setup in the garage, so there's not much I can do about temperature control, but since most of my seedlings are in there in the fall and winter, it's not that much of a problem.

    Bookmark     October 14, 2009 at 12:52PM
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rain2fall(8/Oregon)

I was wondering about the season. I start swiss chard directly in the garden in the spring. They are easy. We'[re both in zone 8, but you're going to plant these outdoors in October?

Rain2Fall

    Bookmark     October 15, 2009 at 1:26AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Plants for a Future Database: Aesculus parviflora - Seed - best sown outdoors or in a cold frame as soon as it is ripe. The seed germinates almost immediately and must be given protection from severe weather. The seed has a very limited viability and must not be allowed to dry out. Stored seed should be soaked for 24 hours prior to sowing and even after this may still not be viable. It is best to sow the seed with its 'scar' downwards. If sowing the seed in a cold frame, pot up the seedlings in early spring and plant them out into their permanent positions in summer.

    Bookmark     October 14, 2009 at 6:31PM
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karyn1(7a)

Thank you. I guess I'll keep the pots in the unheated GH. It's not warm but remains above freezing.

    Bookmark     October 14, 2009 at 11:54PM
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yiorges-z5il

There is another forum "seed exchange" will have better luck there

    Bookmark     October 13, 2009 at 1:59PM
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hank2230(z5 Canton, Ohio)

Thanks for the suggestion yiorges-z5il, I will try there.

    Bookmark     October 14, 2009 at 9:19AM
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queenofthemountain

I am also Zone 9 LA. I planted spinach last weekend and it came up a couple of days ago. If you tried all those methods and no seeds germinated, I have to wonder if the seed is viable.

    Bookmark     October 12, 2009 at 12:37AM
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dicot

It's all about temperature. Now that we've dropped here in LA, it's perfect spinach germinating weather. But I never bother anymore because we inevitably get a winter spell of 85+ that wilts the whole crop and I didn't like the NZ stuff. And then there's the issue of heads becoming earwig homes. Maybe if I had a good north facing exposure that was relatively bug-free, but no. Definitely not my favorite LA crop.

I just overplant beets and eat the young leaves instead and focus on lettuce, cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower. And edible flowers, which we can grow lots of, especially my favorite winter addition - pineapple sage.

    Bookmark     October 13, 2009 at 5:28AM
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yiorges-z5il

Store in a cool, dry, dark location...

    Bookmark     October 7, 2009 at 8:36PM
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sheryl_ontario(Muncho Lake, BC z2)

kinda damp and barely above freezing. Also, not where you keep your apples.

Here is a link that might be useful: My farm blog

    Bookmark     October 12, 2009 at 5:12PM
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scallionboy

Thanks. I thought it might be the light, but they sprang up so fast that they caught me napping. I've got them in a southwest-facing window that gets very good light all year round, so we'll see what happens.

Don't think I can do the fan yet. Still getting them used to not being in a closed environment.

    Bookmark     October 8, 2009 at 12:44PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

Light from a window may seem like good light compared to the rest of the light in the house, but compared to "outside" it is weak and all to one side. Also the window glass is a poor insulator and within a few inches of the glass the air temperature is considerably cooler. Al

    Bookmark     October 11, 2009 at 9:57AM
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yiorges-z5il

Pretreat seed by storing at 40F for 90 days THEN..... Lightly cover seed soil temp 65-70F & takes 150 to 365 days to germinate.....

    Bookmark     October 4, 2009 at 11:17AM
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brandymulvaine

Thank you yiorges! That was just the info I was looking for! Wish me luck.
-B

    Bookmark     October 6, 2009 at 3:29PM
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taz6122(N.W. AR.6b)

I would not start now. Start in January or February. Nick or file through the hard black surface. When you see white thats far enough. Put seeds in a bottle or jar of water until you see a white shoot coming out. Plant in a pot, put in window or under lights until last frost date.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2009 at 5:10PM
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gemfire(z9/10 AZ)

I did some canna seeds using the winter sowning method. they did great. You might want to look in that method. there's a whole thread on it here on Gardenweb.

Gemfire

    Bookmark     October 5, 2009 at 8:41PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

In your area, if you are in fact in the west, I would think it is Quercus agrifolia, "Coast Live Oak" but the advice given is the same. Al

    Bookmark     September 25, 2009 at 9:34AM
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undercover_owl(8 Pac.NW)

The website tomclothier.hort.net has a helpful tree seed germination database.

    Bookmark     October 5, 2009 at 7:09PM
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tropicalbreeze

peat works better for me in my green housebut i have used sand and peat together before .jiffy peat works signed tropical breeze

    Bookmark     September 29, 2009 at 5:38PM
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yiorges-z5il

cotton is an annual everywhere. at 70F takes 10 days to germinate & 6=8 weeks till large enough to set out.
Cherry store seed at 40F for 12 weeks then lightly cover soil temp 65-70F & takes 120 to 365 days to germinate.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2009 at 10:21AM
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yiorges-z5il

Check soil temperature.. if its betwem 75-80F then no problem as that is the ideal temperature for germination & growing on.... some cactus seed takea year or more to germinate so after the new plant gets to transplant size go ahead & still keep germination tray on heat

    Bookmark     September 27, 2009 at 9:23AM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

If you plant a mix of seeds in the same planting container, when the first ones germinate and need more air circulation the rest need the humidity. For this reason I never mix seeds in one container. Al

    Bookmark     September 28, 2009 at 10:17AM
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