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yiorges-z5il

1)after several generations of inbreeding there will be some degration of the geens..... hince low germination
2)were seed deep that makes it hard to germinate
3)soil temp needs to be 70-75F

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 8:20PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

I would follow the directions and after the 3 months in the refrigerator I would plant them in pots. It is much easier to manage germination conditions in pots. Al

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 10:06AM
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ri.gardengirl

Thanks Al.
Should I leave the pots indoors until next spring and then transplant them next spring? Or should I transplant them earlier?

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 5:48PM
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tn_veggie_gardner(7)

Yea...newbie...artificial light will do that. Grow lights are awesome for seed starting & early seedling stages. After that, they must start getting used to normal sunlight (and sunlught schedule/hours) even if indoors, or they'll have a hard time outdoors no matter how much hardening off is done.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2009 at 11:11AM
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jared515

Update: I put the plants by a shady/windy window for a day. They looked down, but I left them there overnight, and in the morning they were looking better. Put them outside for a while today (cloudy day), and they are still looking fine:)

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 3:56PM
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tn_veggie_gardner(7)

One week update...

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 3:53PM
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fountaam(z5 n IN)

The difference between outdoor shade and indoor light is far greater than you might think. Outdoors has much more light and wind - so that's why starting with so little time outside. Too fast and your seedlings get bleached out and die.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 1:13PM
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tn_veggie_gardner(7)

tomatoes...yes

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 2:46PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Has anyone closer to you ever suggested you work a little on the patience factor? ;) Patience in a gardener will have its own rewards...

    Bookmark     May 20, 2009 at 7:46PM
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v1rt

I'm learning :D It's hard especially it's my first time to direct sow. I don't have any experience seeing them grow.

    Bookmark     May 21, 2009 at 5:03AM
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kandm(8b coastal alabama)

I typically grow my morning glories outside so I really can't say if this is normal for indoor seedlings. I have noticed my outdoor seedling having leaves stuck together but I've never helped them a long. I'm no expert but considering it has only been a few days I would take a hands off wait and see approach while continuing to give them plenty of sunlight. Let us know how they turn out.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2009 at 6:03PM
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naturegirl_2007 5B SW Michigan(5B SW Michigan)

Yesterday the MGs were beginning to green up nicely. Today they have the green color I think plants should have. Guess I just had to be patient. The leaves that looked tightly stuck together also separated fine. I'm sowing some other varieties and will watch to see if they also have the yellow color initially.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2009 at 10:46PM
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soinspired(6 (Central IN))

Just another thought, we had a 12 x 18 shed built from Lowes last fall. We had it made an extra foot tall so we could have a nice size loft to it for storage. We then put a ceiling in it with an attic ladder, insulated it and finished the walls and ceiling with rough 4 x 8 plywood which we painted. We had four windows put the south side of the building. We put a little $50 electric oil heater in it along with a small humidifier. It remained between 60 - 70 degrees all winter here in Indiana. We have several shelves with grow lights and are so happy with the results. We check our thermometer each day for temp and humidity. So far, we are amazed our electric has not jumped that much but we are more conscience too of shutting of lights in the house than we use to. I just love it and my plants are doing well too. My husband built me a long workbench along one side right under the windows which is such a neat place to work at. I can't wait till I can retire in next few years so I can really put it to good use.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2009 at 1:37PM
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ri.gardengirl

Thank you all for your great ideas.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2009 at 6:55PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Previously known as Hibiscus huegelii, now Alyogyne huegelii

"As Alyogyne are from the same family as Hibiscus, information on propagation for hibiscus is appropriate for Alyogyne, both for growing from seed or from cuttings. Propagation can be from seed, which keeps its viability for a number of years. It is helpful to rub the seed against a file or an emery board before planting the seed as this treatment will break through the hard protective coating and allow moisture to penetrate. Germination will be much faster after this treatment."

"Hibiscus - nick and soak overnight. Seeds can be planted in a commercial seed starting medium or a mix can be made out of some combination of sand, perlite, vermiculite and Canadian peat. The seeds are planted 1/4 to 1/2" deep in the mixture and should germinate in a week to a month on average. It is best to keep the temperature about 80 to 85° F (about 28° C) and the medium moist, but not soggy. A heat mat to provide bottom heat is helpful."

    Bookmark     May 20, 2009 at 12:39PM
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seamommy(7bTX)

What is creosote? I thought that was the stuff that they treated railroad ties with to keep weeds from sprouting on them.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2009 at 9:39AM
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albert_135(Sunset 2 or 3)

Are you referring to the "creosote bush", Larrea tridentata, that grows wild in the southwest? One gathers from the literature that they may need to be transplanted as soon as possible. It has been suggested that you may need Ambrosia dumosa as a companion plant.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2009 at 11:24AM
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yiorges-z5il

Have SOME experience with 3 1) Serruria lightly cover with soil. soil temp 64-75F taking 14-42 days to germinate 2) lightly cover with soil soil temp for germination (cooler than above) 43-54F hence fall planting 3)PRE TREATMENT scarify seed or soak in water for 12 hours THEN light cover soil temperature 64-75F taking 15-42 days to germinate

    Bookmark     May 17, 2009 at 8:56PM
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mark4321_gw

yiorges,

Thanks for the response--it's good to see someone has experience with some of these seeds.

I confused, though, which seeds your conditions (2) and (3) apply to.

Do you remember what sorts of germination rates you got?

Thanks.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2009 at 12:00AM
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yiorges-z5il

AT THE TIME OF THE FIRS TRUE LEAVES IS THE CORRET TIME TO TRANSPLANT. DIG A CLUMP OF SEEDLINGS, SEPORATE THEM GENTLY & TRANSFER TO A BED WITH WELL PULVERISED SOIL

    Bookmark     May 17, 2009 at 8:25PM
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Karen Pease

Watch that caps lock there, yiorges -- no need to yell :)

To what yiorges said, I'd add, be sure to water the bed well afterwards.

    Bookmark     May 18, 2009 at 4:40PM
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yiorges-z5il

The two best approaches are 1) fut the stems of the weakes plants leving only 1 per pot OR (if entend to plant in garden) plant the 2-3 seedlings together. if transfering to a pot then make sure the soil mass is enough to support the 2-3 plants

    Bookmark     May 17, 2009 at 8:31PM
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tn_veggie_gardner(7)

Yea, some herbs are one of few things that will do well if planted in "bunches." Some like Cilantro, actually prefer it that way. I say, if you think it's going to be too tough to seperate them, just plant them together & if one of them doesn't survive, it will be because the other two got too strong for it & kind of took over the root space. Make sure, like yiorges says, that you plant them in a space large enough for all 3 though.

- Steve

    Bookmark     May 17, 2009 at 9:22PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Camassia -
"Seedlings should remain in the seed pot undisturbed their first year. When the plants are dormant in late summer, pot up the small bulbs putting 2 - 3 bulbs in each pot. Grow them on for another year cold frame before planting them out when dormant in late summer....most container plants grown from seed were ready for planting after 2 years. "

    Bookmark     May 17, 2009 at 12:25PM
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