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jamjam

They can take up to three weeks. Do you have clear plastic wrap over the pot? That should warm it up a little.

If it helps, mine came up when I had practically given up on them :)

    Bookmark     April 12, 2008 at 6:26PM
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allisonlwise(5)

Wow ... I'm such a blond. They are actually Helichrysum seeds. Not that it matters, because NOTHING is happening with them, LOL!

    Bookmark     April 12, 2008 at 10:30AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

OK, Plan B, for helichrysum -

Surface sow, do not exclude light, @ 75ºF, grow on after germination @ 65ºF , germination in approx 7-14 days from sowing.

(On the surface, do not cover, you said you put them at their specified height/depth, the depth should be on top the sowing medium and just gently pressed in to make good soil contact, then mist to keep moist.)

    Bookmark     April 12, 2008 at 11:13AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sure looks like spider mites to me. But instead of the Murphy's mix (the oil/soap combo has been undermined lately by new research as ineffective - the oil and soap seem to work against each other) try the oil baking soda mix: 1 T light vegetable oil (not olive oil) and 1 tsp. baking soda in a gallon of water and shake well. be sure to get the soil and undersides of the leaves too.

The soil in your photos looks awfully wet too. did you just water? Try letting them dry out more between watering too. But keep in mind that the SM can travel - get the seedlings further away or they will just get re-infected.

Good luck. ;)

Dave

    Bookmark     April 11, 2008 at 10:21PM
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Elizabeth White

Thank you so much! I'll try an oil/soap/baking soda spray.

I hate spider mites!

Elizabeth

    Bookmark     April 12, 2008 at 9:43AM
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kms4me

They do need warmth and light for germination. Also, the seed life is very short--seeds more than 2 years old may no longer be viable.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2008 at 7:43PM
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jamjam

They need light? Wow, I wasn't aware of that. Would it help if I placed them under my lights? The seed is fresh; I just picked up a packet from West Coast Seeds; its a new offering for them.

    Bookmark     April 11, 2008 at 8:04PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Hi wally - sent you an email. ;)

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 6:05PM
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ashleyzone6b

What are the signs of calcium deficiency?

    Bookmark     April 11, 2008 at 1:39PM
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panchiro

Here's a link with some suggested temps.

Here is a link that might be useful: Hardening off temps.

    Bookmark     April 10, 2008 at 8:46AM
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kmpsmom

I winter sowed over 300 varieties and planted out about 10 varieties this week. I strongly recommend this method to those of you who have houses full of seeds that you started inside. Just my 2 cents!

    Bookmark     April 10, 2008 at 9:36AM
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arjo_reich

The white stuff sounds like a type of fungal contaminate called "cobweb mold" and often times be remedied with a little H2O2 (3% hydrogen peroxide) sprayed directly on the contaminate.

The actual mold is growing beneath the surface of the soil and as it's mycelium (fungal roots, for lack of a better term) consolidates control over the soil it can litterally drown the plants by not allowing any oxygen to filter down into the roots where it needs it. Remember, the leaves need CO2 (carbon dioxide) but the roots need O2 (oxygen) to survive.

Most people advocate bottom watering but this often times only perpetuates the damping off diseases such as the one it sounds like you're experiencing.

    Bookmark     April 9, 2008 at 11:56AM
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arjo_reich

generally speaking, I don't try to transplant anything until the second or third set of "true leaves" form or when the plant is at least 3-4" tall...so that might have something to do with it.

Also, I'm not really a big fan of jiffy products with the sole exception of their peat moss "jiffy mix" because it tends to be loaded with trichoderma (forest green mold) and occasionally penicillium (blue-green mold) spores.

What I've been doing recently is using coco-coir (which comes in bricks that when mixed with boiling hot water expands into about 3.5 gallons of material and mixing it about 50/50 with jiffy mix. The jiffy mix is peat moss, perlite and pH balanced with lime to offset the slightly acidic nature of the peat moss. I make pots out of 3.5" x 10" strips of newspaper with a Paper Pot Maker and plant in those.

Same net effect and it gives me yet another way to recycle the newspapers my neighbors would otherwise toss in the trash.

    Bookmark     April 9, 2008 at 11:52AM
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mehearty(So ME z5a)

I always thought that lupine needed darkness to germinate, but maybe that's why I had poor germination last year. lol

I think if they're plumping, leave 'em be.

    Bookmark     April 7, 2008 at 6:34AM
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ornata(London UK (8/9?))

My lupins pushed themselves up out of the compost as they germinated, exposing part of the radicle. I covered them up with compost so just the shoot tip was visible - it seemed the right thing to do.

    Bookmark     April 9, 2008 at 7:16AM
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peggy9871

Hello- I am new !! I dont have a heat mat, but do have grow bulbs--can I start seeds without a mat?? I live in Easton Massachusetts. If anyone has additional info I can use the help.

    Bookmark     April 7, 2008 at 1:56PM
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dirtbert(z4)

Absolutely you can grow these seeds without a mat (tomato, squash, peppers) and many others. They may take a little longer to germinate but they definitely do not need a heat mat.

Most seeds that do require heat to germinate will say so on the seed packet.

And while a lot of seeds will germinate earlier with bottom heat, there are plenty that are hindered by bottom heat as well.

I've been starting a lot of seeds in the house early for many years and have only started using a heat mat the last couple. The only reason I started using it was because I got one for a gift. I will admit though, it is nice to get faster germination on some things. But definitely not a neccesity for most seeds.

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 9:06PM
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Scott Schluter

We're north of you in Mass and we have in: cauliflower and broccoli seedlings, spinach, kale, radish, lettuce, and mesclun seed. Carrot seeds going in next weekend.

Some kind soul on here pointed me to the site below where you input your last frost date and it will tell you when to plant what.

Here is a link that might be useful: Planting Spreadsheet

    Bookmark     April 7, 2008 at 6:15PM
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pondlily(6)

Thanks! Lettuce this week! That's a neat table, I wish it had flowers too.

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 8:04PM
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zubababy(6b Utah)

i noticed that my tomato seedlings were doing that same thing last night, when i went to check on them after the lights had been turned off.

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 3:24PM
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mehearty(So ME z5a)

I don't grow tomatoes, but I noticed this year that my 4 o'clock seedlings do that. I didn't notice that last year.

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 4:36PM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

bOTH PLANTS TAKE 30-60 DAYS TO GERMINATE..... SO DO NOT GIVE UP

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 12:30PM
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ornata(London UK (8/9?))

I also find it heartbreaking to have to thin out healthy seedlings, so this year I have been sowing seed really thinly. With seeds that I am pretty sure will give near-100% germination (e.g. Amaranthus, tomato, peppers, coleus) I haved just sowed as many as I think I'll need, plus a couple extra. The seedlings grow better from day one as there is less competition around them and they are less prone to damping off.

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 5:09AM
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ccroulet(z9 CA Sunset 18)

From my yard I pull healthy, vigorous weeds, in the prime of life, and I do it without a moment's twinge of conscience. So although I sometimes have a fleeting moment of sorrow for the growing-but-not-quite-big-enough seedlings I'm about to yank, I don't see that they are biologically any more worthy than the weeds I discard so cold-heartedly. Sorry, guys: your misfortune is that you grew from the wrong part of the gene pool. Out you go.

    Bookmark     April 8, 2008 at 12:29PM
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