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patrizia007

I start all of my seeds under shoplights, and place newly sown flats under the lights BEFORE germination. The lights warm up the soil and help the seeds to germinate. I turn the lights off at night for the dark period. It's worked for me for decades.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 10:30PM
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albert_135(Sunset 2 or 3)

And at the link below is a list of plants that are reported by the UNM, (I think that is the University of New Mexico but I didn't check.), that do need light to germinate. The list says nothing about how much light or when the light is needed. It is posted on the extension service website.

Here is a link that might be useful: Seeds that need light to germinate.

    Bookmark     February 10, 2008 at 10:56AM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

You still haven't answered if you've seen little gnats flitting around all over the place.

Coleus need as much light as you can find indoors. The exception to that would be if you were germinating in a greenhouse.

You could purchase some horticultural grade diatomaceous earth and sprinkle a good layer of that on top of the soil. That will help kill off soil critters.

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 12:11PM
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west9491(6)

oh sorry, yeah, today i did see some gnats.
i made an A frame out of a sticky note w/ maple syrup on top, my makeshift gnat trap at least til i go out and get one.

thanks, i think i'll get some of the diatomaceous earth. i can use it outdoors this spring and summer too.

god, i'm sick of winter..lol

    Bookmark     February 10, 2008 at 12:25AM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

lightly cover the seed soil temp 75-80F takes 6-14 daysto germinate & 8-10 weeks to set out green. most people delay setting out the plants till after the last chance of frost has occured.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 7:52PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

For Z7 you should be able to start them any time now. I'm 6B and started my first ones this week and will stagger start over the next 2 weeks for plant out end of April and 1st week of May. When it comes to the weather all we can do is hedge our bets and have some spares saved to replace any a late frost gets. ;)

Good luck.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 8:33PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Excellent!! ;) Cole crops are ideal for the wintersowing approach.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 6:02PM
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shellva(Camden 7b/8a)

I need to make a correction on the sow date. According to my notes I sowed them on Jan 21, not the 10th.

The soil is Miracle Gro potting mix. As for the strain, it was just one I happened to pick up and later learned it is on our extention agency's list of good varieties for this area. While I have some experience growing flowers and certain vegetables from seed, I've never grown broccoli before, this is my first attempt. We shall see what happens.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 6:09PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Easy to do - Here is a bunch of info links from Google How to make paper pots?

Just cut long strips of newspaper the width = to how tall you want the pot to be. Then wrap the strip several times around any round object - pop can, rolling pin, whatever. The diameter of what you wrap around determines the diameter of the pot.

As you wrap, leave 1 1/2" of the paper extending below the can, tape or staple the end of the wrap and fold the 1 1/2" of the bottom over into pleats. Slip it off the can and you have a paper pot. ;)

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Making Paper Pots

    Bookmark     February 5, 2008 at 5:25PM
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kayhh

You can just form them around any container that is the size you want and tape the edges. Paper tapes are biodegradable.

Personally, I didn't like using them. They did not want to stand up on their own, I thought that they dried out too quickly when spaced apart and had a tendancy to mold when too close together. You still have to remove the plant from the paper pot when transplanting becuase it will take weeks and perhaps months for the paper to fully disinegrate so you risk the plant drying out or getting root bound. The only thing I did like about them is that I could just tuck the paper pot under the mulch as I planted. No clean-up is always good in my book.

Besides, as I get older, I find my time becomes more and more valuable. It's a whole lot faster to pick up cups in a large variety of sizes than to make them at a dollar store.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 4:08PM
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yardloveranne

My grandmother always had Portulaca as well, and I love it, especially mixed with Celosia. The bright colors and different textures just seem to complement each other.

I grew it from seed last year, and this year am going to try the "sheet cake" method. Thanks for the tip!

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 2:40PM
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sewobsessed

parad0x,
portulaca is a good choice for a hearty flower! They pretty much thrive on neglect. lol.
Anyway, I've had really good luck wintersowing both. You might want to give it a try.
:)

Here is a link that might be useful: Winter Sowing

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 7:48AM
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gemfire(z9/10 AZ)

I know that flowers don't like their stems buried. I meant the bell pepper. I know that when you plant tomatoes transplants deeper, more roots grow out the stem giving them a better root system, I was just wondering if bell peppers did the same thing.

Thanks,
Gemfire

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 11:25PM
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sewobsessed

gemfire,
yes, bell peppers also sprout new roots from the stem, just like tomatos. You were on the right path - transplant them a bit deeper.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 7:44AM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

You could germinate them in flats in the indoor greenhouse, then transplant them to the greenhouse when it's time. Transplants love a cooler environment.

If you do a Search in this forum about peat pots, I think you'll find that a great many people have lots of trouble with them. At least, it's a subject that seems to come up endlessly every spring when folks begin to have problems. Perhaps if holes were drilled in the bottom for proper (meaning rapid) drainage they wouldn't cause so many problems.

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 12:20PM
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woodyguthriefan(6a)

I use and love the portable greenhouses with four shelves. I have three of them in my basement. They are efficient at retaining heat and humidity. This makes them a good place to germinate seeds IMO. I use artificial lighting inside my portable greenhouses. I have one greenhouse with a 150 watt fluorescent, bat-wing grow light; one greenhouse with three clamp-type, work lights with 42 watt CFLs; and one greenhouse has a compact mini-HID metal halide 150 watts. They all seem to work great from start to finish. I highly recommend the portable greenhouses. The shelves are grated so excess water runs through to the lower shelves/floor if you don't use plastic trays under your pots to catch it. This can be problematic if you want to hang lights on the lower shelves so be careful. Also,the smaller 3 shelf model (about ten bucks cheaper than the four shelf) is nice. not necessary to use humidity dome in these. Bottom heat would be more beneficial IMO because the grated shelves don't retain heat.

    Bookmark     February 9, 2008 at 1:12AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Tobacco mosaic virus is very rare (but possible) but I'd first suspect the more likely villains. Do the spots rub off? If so the problem is a mold from too much moisture. Have you been misting the plants? If so, stop and see if the spots disappear. Is there adequate air circulation? A small fan on low will help greatly. Under lights? Need to be close but not close enough to scorch. Room temps? Lettuce prefers cool temps and thrives in the 50 degree range.

Lastly any chance they are a pest? Aphids come to mind as a common problem with lettuce seedlings. If they can be flicked off the leaves think aphids.

With the Jiffy mix you won't have any N burn going (another possibility sometimes) but you will need to feed them as it has no nutrients. A 25% solution of a water soluable fertilizer works well - nothing stronger.

Hope some of this helps.

Dave

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 2:24PM
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nomatic

Thanks for the response Dave.

I have not been misting the plants. The spots do not rub off, so not mold.
The plants are in my spare room and I have a ceiling fan running on low so there is a light breeze.
They are under 4ft shop lights with cool white bulbs set about an inch above the tops of the plants.
The room temp stays about 60 to 65

As to Aphids.. I don't think so. I am so ready to get out in the yard this year that I am spending a lot of time looking at those wonderful green growing things and I think I would have seen any bugs by now.. :)

Should I be giving them the 25% fetilizer solution every time that I water the plants? I have not done any fertilizer yet, can you suggest a brand name?

Thanks again.
Mat

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 5:53PM
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carolacl

yes, please do. I only have the tomatoes on the like pinching list---but it would be great to add to my "do" and "don't" notes even regarding vegetables and herbs...
Carola

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 2:35PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

I only have the tomatoes on the like pinching list..

No, please. Put tomatoes on the do not pinch list. ;) Pinching of tomatoes is not generally recommended as there is little if any benefit and it can sharply reduce production. One first has to know the type (indeterminate or determinate) and exactly where to pinch. Pruning (vs. pinching) a well grown plant is a different matter completely.

Lots of discussions on this in the past over on the growing tomatoes forum. ;).

Dave

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 3:58PM
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carolacl

Sunflowers are not so easy to start indoors, because they grow so fast and outgrow pots easily before you are ready to do anything with them, or get funky shapes if they didnÂt have ideal lighting or do the "falling over". I donÂt know what zone you live in, but it sounds very early to already be starting them. I actually have had trouble direct seeding my sunflowers because of my heavy clay soil and birds tending to steal the seeds, so I do start my Sunflowers in pots. 3-4 weeks before I know I can plant them in their destination spot, I actually plant individual seeds in bigger transplant containers, but using seed starting mix. Many times, I even put them on my patio, so they are growing up outside and donÂt need hardening off. When the plants are only 6-12" high I plant them where I want them to grow in the garden (and then have to cross my fingers that little squirrels donÂt come and chomp their tops of *G*)

Seed starting mix is a mixture of Vermiculite and Perlite. ItÂs a steril mix that doesnÂt have any bacteria in it, as regulur soil and planting mix would have. Therefore your plants donÂt as easily get any diseases that will lead to dampening off etc.. The mix is also very pourous and light, so that it promotes easy root development.

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 2:33PM
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petpalikali(WI-Z4)

I live in Green Bay, zone 4 or 5 like you. I don't start my seeds until the middle of March. Unless you have a really good set up as far as light goes, I'd hold off. I think my Zinnias and Cosmos are blooming in July.? Maybe check out the Wisconsin forum. Someone there may know better. Good luck and congrats on the marriage!

    Bookmark     February 6, 2008 at 11:27AM
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carolacl

Cosmos and Zinnia germinate fast and grow fast. Don't start them earlier than 8 weeks before your last frost date. Also, both take well to pinching. So once they are about 4" high, pinch off the very top above the highest side shoot, so that the develop side branching. Carola

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 12:35PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

I've always used a soil-heating cable buried into the seedling flat(s). Models with an automatic thermostat work like a charm. They allow you to keep the greenhouse or whereever you're germinating cold, while the soil will stay a consistent toasty 72 (or so). Once germination is complete, the plug is pulled.

I've had the same cables for about ten years.

    Bookmark     February 7, 2008 at 1:25PM
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carolacl

Check for a cheap Heating Mat at Walmart. Might get one for around $10.00 and those worked well for me. It's actually good when they have that flimsy cover that you can remove, as the cheap ones are vinyl underneath which can get wet without problem. :-) Carola

    Bookmark     February 8, 2008 at 12:32PM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

No pretreatment is required.... lightly cover the seed soil temp 65-68F & takes 21-42 days to germinate. growing on temp 55-60F. taking 10-14 weeks till large enough to set out . Ideal pH 5.8-6.8

    Bookmark     February 6, 2008 at 9:13AM
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dixiedazzle

Thanks for the info.

    Bookmark     February 6, 2008 at 9:12PM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

I do not remove the shell. after a pretreatment at 40F for 3 months I MAY crack the shell.... but most of the time I do not do anything to the shell

    Bookmark     February 5, 2008 at 4:26PM
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kms4me

Thanks George!

    Bookmark     February 6, 2008 at 6:41PM
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