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nicolenanette(92019)

over a year later, i nicole have found cleomes....... now i live in 9b and was wondering IF i can plant these NOW, in september or wait til spring......... You would think i would understand by reading the above posts, but no..... i can be thick headed.
Nicole

    Bookmark     September 7, 2007 at 12:12AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Nicle, these aren't frost hardy, so seedlings may germinate now only to be lost this winter if your temperature does drop below freezing. Perfect timing for outdoor sowing would be to sow while your nights are in the low 40's, a couple of weeks before the last possibility of any frost in your area. If no frost shows up, that's fine. They don't need freezing, just cool, moist, 40ish degrees for a couple of weeks before warming up some.

    Bookmark     September 7, 2007 at 5:15PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Cool! There's nothing like a little shoot or bit of green to get our hearts racing :)

    Bookmark     September 7, 2007 at 10:32AM
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poisondartfrog

I started Crucianella from J.L. Hudson seed 9 years ago. It is a wonderful little plant!
I started the seeds in February in the greenhouse with a little bottom heat using Jiffy Mix and planted out after danger of frost. Germination was excellent and I had plenty of plants to sell and to share. I did more sharing than selling; folks were not familiar with the plant. It bloomed in it's second year.

    Bookmark     September 7, 2007 at 8:15AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

I haven't grown it, but Druse "Making More Plants" -

Light(barely cover seed or not at all), outdoors in Fall, or light sow indoors 65F or cooler for germination in 30-40 days.

    Bookmark     September 7, 2007 at 10:29AM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

Not true from seed

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 12:45PM
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aceshobby91

Yes. I have tried doing that and the seeds do not grow true.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 1:17PM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

To germinate lightly cover the seed soil temp 68F keep soil damp not wet. for growth they require full sun. If you are in zone 7 then neither will survive the winter.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 12:44PM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

Have used the material for rooting cuttings but not seed. The cost was probibitative for me..... Even if the peat pots absorbe water they will reach a saturation point & each plant will receive water.... the same would be true for "bio-sponges" By the way they are also harder to keep the fertilization level in the "ideal" range.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 12:33PM
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aceshobby91

Thanks a lot! so I just pick the seeds when they are red?

~Nathaniel

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 7:54AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

When the seeds begin to turn red, they are just about mature. DonÂt pick them too early or the embryo will not be developed. When the seeds are fully developed they will begin to fall from the tree, and at that time you can begin to pick them.

Ripe seeds can be removed easily. If they donÂt pop right off when you grab them, they are not quite ready, give them another week or two.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 10:45AM
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karyn1(7a)

They need more light. I'd put them outside and transplant them when they get a set of true leaves. All but the basil do well in cooler temps. I'm not sure when your frost date is but the cool weather plants might be able to go in the ground. Swiss chard gets pretty big and isn't a good container plant but all the others will do fine in pots if that's what you are planning on doing. I'd definitely plant the basil in a pot(s). If you are going to grow them inside you'll likely need some sort of grow light. Congrats on your sprouts.
Karyn

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 3:21AM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

In the future, sunlight is required as soon as the little seedlings poke their tiny heads above the surface of the soil. I germinate my seeds in the full sun (if they are supposed to be grown in the full sun, that is) and leave them there. I don't use plastic covers.

Aren't those take-out containers GREAT?? I think that I'd drill holes in the bottom so that you could water properly, however.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 9:56AM
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paulallen(6b)

Suggestion, not sure if it's on target for you, I grow most of my plants from seed under a shop light in my basement. The seeds, in a peat mix, are kept about two inches from the light. After germinating and growing four real leaves, I transplant the seedlings into plastic cups filled with potting soil until they are large enough to harden-off and plant outside. It works for most seeds, and the resulting plants. As a lark, I grew lettuce under the shop light one winter. Good luck.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 12:06AM
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mariava7

Paulallen...Thank you! I think I will start with that...shoplights. Most of the seedlings would be 2-3" high with 2-3 leaves by then. Would ordinary flourescent lights be good enough for them? They will stay inside only during the winter months and be brought outside in spring.

    Bookmark     September 6, 2007 at 12:41AM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

They will grow into vines see notes on grape seed .... they will not be true to her grapes BUT if you take cuttings they will root.... use new growth, 3 eye(nodes) 0.3% IBA rooting hormone & taking 90-120 days to root.....

    Bookmark     September 5, 2007 at 7:09PM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

store seed at 65F for 3 months then store at 40F for 3 months. Then do not cover the seed soil temp 65-70F & takes 90 to 730 days to germinate. Cuttings will be faster but to late to start. There must be some place to order rooted cuttings or graftes starts but I do not know where

    Bookmark     September 5, 2007 at 7:06PM
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origami_master(5b)

sewobsessed: I love that site, thanks so much! Sunita, I just use an excel sheet too. I also use cue cards. On each card, I put down the name I know it as, the Chinese name (for my parents) and the latin name. I record the numbre of days it took to sprout for me and the date I started them, and I paste the information about growing (if it's from a commercial packatge) on the back I organize them by using a cue card box and special dividers made for them

    Bookmark     September 3, 2007 at 7:43PM
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zubababy(6b Utah)

i was also curious about such a program, and found one on download.com called "my garden journal".
there is a free download to try, before you buy.

Here is a link that might be useful: my garden journal

    Bookmark     September 4, 2007 at 10:54PM
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mrbrownthumb(z5 Chicago)

You would have better luck posting in the seed exchange forum.

    Bookmark     December 12, 2006 at 8:48PM
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mariava7

Hello blackorchid! Kamusta! I tried emailing you in that address but it keeps coming back. Could you email me back?

    Bookmark     September 4, 2007 at 10:24AM
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karyn1(7a)

I've had very good results winter sowing coneflowers. I plant them outside (in containers) in Jan or Feb and they come up in the spring. Once they are big enough to handle I plant them in the yard.
Karyn

    Bookmark     September 3, 2007 at 8:29PM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

paulallen, I'm glad you're having success, but freezing isn't necessary for most seeds. To stratify means to expose the seeds to a moist chill and I don't mean to be critical but I'd hate for your own experience to lead too many in the wrong direction with their freezers.

Druse (Making More Plants): "Research has demonstrated that freezing - which may occur outdoors and is still recommended by several sources - is rarely necessary. Seeds that are subjected to cold (rather than chill) may not always be damaged by temperatures below freezing point, but the conditioning process is put on hold at these low temperatures and resumes only when the seeds are not quite so cold. This is one reason that controlled stratification in the refrigerator can be a truncated version of the outdoor process.

It's now clear that the most important piece of technical equipment for performing the operations of stratification, the refrigerator, is already possessed by amateur gardeners."

In this damp zone of no extremes (cool summers, mild winters), I don't find fresh echinacea seeds need stratifying at all and will normally germinate in 10 - 21 days without it - summer to late summer in places where gardeners really experience 'summer' may be a bit warm for good germination.

    Bookmark     September 3, 2007 at 10:11PM
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karyn1(7a)

I bought my variegated KMOTGG from Summerhill Seeds and had good results with winetr sowing them. The plants are huge, about 8'tall and have just started blooming. The variegated form is really pretty, the solid green one is just a weedy pain around here that I'm always pulling out of the garden.
Karyn

Here is a link that might be useful: Summerhill Seeds

    Bookmark     September 3, 2007 at 8:25PM
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