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kateh

I didn't nick or soak my morning glory seeds and 75% of them germinated just fine. But with some varieties of sunflower I have in the past scraped the seeds over an emery board and then soaked them. I did this with a variety I really liked the look of, but hadn't had much luck with germinating in soil without help. It's a laborious way of doing things, but it did the job. If I had trouble with morning glory seeds, I'd try that method again with them.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2007 at 1:21PM
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bluebars(7 MD)

Well I soaked them in a jar of warm water and shook it, like arjo said, and then put the jar in a sunny window in the morning 7/4. Within 6 hours, they were already sprouting, so I had to get them into the dirt right away! The Heavenly Blue have lots of sprouts now, and sprouted sooner. The Scarlett O'Hara only about half have sprouted.
Looking forward to beautiful MG flowers!
Thanks all!
BlueBars

    Bookmark     July 9, 2007 at 7:55AM
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gibby_gardener

Rhizo may have an answer for me, too. I am growing foxglove from commercial seed. The plants are in a little 6 pack plastic tray we got flowers in from a nursery. The seeds were so slow, starting out from seed starter that I added a bit of Miracle Gro which seems to have killed off half the little plants. I have the plants outside with only morning sun and a bit of water daily. They really look like they are moist all the time, which may not be good. My question is, Why aren't the plants growing? I had them for a whole month.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2007 at 8:55PM
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maidinmontana(Zone 5 Billings MT)

My coneflowers didn't bloom the first year. I think it was the thrid year before they were really full of flowers. But they are a nice looking plant even with out flowers. I think so anyway. The old saying goes they sleep the first year, creep the second year then leap the third year. But even if this is the case you will have a nice plant in a few years and you can fill in with annuals for color next season. There are some perennials that do bloom the first year but coneflower never has for me, but it could be me.

Gibby, I think you fertilized too soon. And if you used ther reccomended amount of fert, it may have acted as a weed killer, you should use 1/2 the amount they reccomend for new seedlings. Try scooting them closer to the sun a little at a time, don't do it all at once, maybe put them in more sun for an hour or so and then gradually get them to where they an have full sun all day. You might be better getting them out of the small pots they are in now as well, they have a tendency to dry out very fast and the seedling will cook.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2007 at 1:11AM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

Geranium (hardy types!!!) take 4-8 weeks to be large enough to set out so I would say yes.... Seedum take 9-14 weeks to set out from germination BUT also takes a 6 week pretreatment at 40F.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2007 at 4:03PM
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georgez5il(z5 IL)

If the cause was a virus then no treatment.... could alsobe bacterial with some small chance of a treatment .... most likly a fungus & there are many treatments (fungicides).... also try lowering the humidity, improve air circulation & reduce soil moisture

    Bookmark     July 8, 2007 at 3:58PM
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moonandtaiga

OK thanks everyone!!! I've printed the lists.
Wish me luck.

    Bookmark     July 6, 2007 at 8:30AM
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jackierooke(z5MI)

Perennial geraniums are not on any of the lists. Can't these be sown now?

    Bookmark     July 7, 2007 at 8:16AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Congratulations, it looks like you're off to a great start! Happy Gardening....

    Bookmark     July 6, 2007 at 11:01AM
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bern_2007

Loved your black eye Susan vine, in that pail. WSing is very rewarding! Enjoy your summer.

    Bookmark     July 6, 2007 at 8:20PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

Lavender starts easily from cuttings and will save a years time compared to seeds. Al

    Bookmark     July 5, 2007 at 10:06AM
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aprilfool(7)

Al, how do you root lavender cuttings? I took two little cuttings and I have them in water right now.

    Bookmark     July 6, 2007 at 8:05PM
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limequilla

That particular plant won't do anything, Linda, but the seed from it would be F3? Those might be very interesting. It also might be a dog. That's the great thing about seeds. :)

I had the same exact thing happen with seed from a F1 Zinnia, except the "flower" is a complete round ball, not just like a zinnia center with no petals....it's unattractive, but not unduly so.

Lime

    Bookmark     July 5, 2007 at 1:40PM
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linlily(z5/6PA)

Thanks for posting, Karen and Lime. I just want to give them another year to grow and see if anything changes. I don't have any extra room right now for them but I've found someone local who will adopt them and grow them for a while. I can visit them for myself, or get feedback from him on how they bloom the rest of the year and early next summer. We'll just have to see what happens.

Linda

    Bookmark     July 5, 2007 at 11:08PM
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origami_master(5b)

I'm no expert but this is what I do. When my seedlings have five pairs of leaves, I cut/pinch back to the fourth pair of leaves. You can do this with marigolds, lantana, morning glories, petunias, fuschias, etc.

    Bookmark     July 3, 2007 at 11:14AM
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maidinmontana(Zone 5 Billings MT)

I am no expert either, but getting closer from this web site.
Most of my annuals, store bought and home grown, I always pinch/cut back before I put them in the ground. Keep them well watered and watch them grow. Annuals have one purpose, to produce a flower/fruit then a seed. If they are pinched back it will increase the foliage size thus producing more blooms. I haven't found an annual that didn't benifit from pinching back. I even remove some of the rootball on store bought plants to inhibit more growth.
Sweet alyssum has always done well for me with a good haircut after the first bloom cycle, they come back fuller and with more blooms. That's just one example.

    Bookmark     July 5, 2007 at 12:40PM
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origami_master(5b)

Id say go ahead and plant them out now

    Bookmark     July 5, 2007 at 11:05AM
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maidinmontana(Zone 5 Billings MT)

I have both growing now. My sweet peas are already blooming and MG are really close. Sweet peas are my birth flower (April) according to the farmers almanac, April 1st is the day to sow sweet peas. So I do. Some I start inside and when they are ready to plant out I put a few packs of seeds in with the seedlings. By this time it's hard to tell which ones were started inside and which ones were direct sown.

I do the morning glories the same time and the same way. I have never tried to sow them this late but I suppose you could. The bunnies got to my MG's so I posted here as to what to do and Trudi said to start some new ones to enjoy later in the season when the bunnies aren't so hungry. I didn't but the ones that have survived are ready to bloom. With this warm weather they should germinate quickly. I'd say try it, if it works you know you can do them late, if it doesn't try sowing early spring.

Here are my sweetpeas

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http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m91/maidinmontana/?action=view&current=100_0515.jpg

and morning glories
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http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m91/maidinmontana/?action=view&current=100_0512.jpg

    Bookmark     July 5, 2007 at 11:31AM
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cncnorman(z7 FW/TX)

Sounds to me like fungus gnats. Have you noticed any little flies that resemble fruit flies flying around? You can use apple cider vinegar mixed with water to kill the larvae. Check out the site I'm linking for you to get more details.
Christina

Here is a link that might be useful: fungus gnats info

    Bookmark     July 2, 2007 at 9:52PM
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tessa74(8)

i love that purple one. so pretty.

    Bookmark     July 2, 2007 at 9:42PM
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kms4me

Debbie,

I had a calathea bloom, set seeds, and they subsequently dropped into another pot (the base of a banana plant) where they germinated.
kms

    Bookmark     August 14, 2006 at 3:15AM
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michelles_angels

I have a question. Does anyone have CALATHEA LANCIFOLIA? I've seen it also referred to as a peacock calathea, but I'm not sure if that's it's common name. Would anyone know where I could buy one? Can only find one site so far, and it's pricey. Thank you in advance.
Michelle ;)

    Bookmark     July 1, 2007 at 12:19PM
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bearstate(9A)

I'm rather new to trying tropical trees myself, so take me as the last word in what I have to say here.

I've tried Blue Jacaranda and Tabebuia Chrysostricha. The Blue Jacaranda germinated, but only about half of them and the mortality rate of the saplings has now been 100 per cent. Had four that were doing good and suddenly, they died. The Tabebuia seeds never germinated.

I've been lucky in that I am simultaneously planting a lot of other seeds this year, some wonderfully successful, like my Cassia alatas and my Phoenix dactyliferas ( Date Palms ).

One truth about seeds is that some are just plain easy to germinate. Others are stubborn.

But there are apparently other things about seeds that everyone aspiring for a green thumb should know ...

1.) I am absolutely marvelled to learn that seeds sense stress in their environment and refuse to germinate except under ideal conditions. Ideal conditions may depend upon temperature, dryness or wetness, Ph values, soil type and even temperature transitions from winter cold to spring warmth and oddly enough, lack of sun light or shade and alternatively, plenty of sun light.

2.) It would seem that some seeds may have long dormancy periods and others need to be sown immediately after they are produced by their parent plants or the embryos die.

3.) In regard to 2.), some seeds though they don't necessarily require long dormancy, can remain dormant for an incredibly long time. Recently, an archaeological expedition in the middle east found some ancient palms seeds and after trying to germinate what was thought to be an extinct species of date palm, they were met with success and revived the species!

4.) Seeds may be destroyed in situ, either before or after sowing by a variety of factors which include storage in excessive heat, excessive watering, root rot, bird or other animal piracy of the seeds or saplings, insect infections, mold and environmental stresses from too high or too low a temperature, too little or too much light, poor soil, not enough nutrients and so forth.

5.) Sterile seeds that may be produced, but were never properly pollinated or suffer other defects.

That's a lot to take account of. I note that most cultivated plants, plants that people have taken a hand at, tend to be faster and more certain germinators, but may germinate into conditions of stress because the seeds did not have the capability to wait for ideal conditions. That's not usually a problem.

However the seeds you purchase may already be embryonically dead or be a bad batch of infertile or defective seeds. Sometimes, you will receive about 30 seeds and they'll tell you that it's enough to grow 12 plants. You might want to read up on shelf life of the species of seed you are working with. Also read up in greater detail on environmental factors and what ideal conditions are for the seeds.

I recently planted cactus seeds. They came up instantly, but if they were taken out into sunlight, they would die. Why the heck would a desert plant die in sunlight? Because they naturally germinate in winter, under cooler and cloudier conditions and by the time spring and summer come around, they are established enough to bear the more difficult environment. As seedlings, direct summer sun will bleach them white in just a couple hours.

It's a difficult thing understanding germination for some plants. I'm still scratch'n my head and experimenting.

I suggest that you don't plant all your seeds at once and reserve most of them while you try a small number in your prevailing conditions and then if you are met with failure, adjust the environment based on what you can learn from other people's experiences or write-ups and try again.

Often, it may be necessary to germinate seeds indoors under artificially created and monitored conditions and then put them out into the real world once they become established. I would say that for most seeds, direct sunlight can be a problem. UV light kills bacteria, mold and as I have had opportunity to note, infant plants. Make good with the shade!

    Bookmark     June 23, 2007 at 11:34PM
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karyn1(7a)

I recently started some Pride of Barbados and Royal Poinciana seeds outside, but in pots and they germinated fairly quickly. Did you nick and soak the seeds first? If not try doing that. I use an infant nail clipper to nick the seed coat. I've never tried a Strawberry tree.
Karyn

    Bookmark     July 1, 2007 at 1:40AM
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chueh(7B)

Thank you for your answer. I added gypson to the lawn but not the hillside where I want to plant wildflower. I thought that the palletized gypson would not stay on the hillside. I thought also that it is too late to condition the clay now; is it too late???

    Bookmark     June 26, 2007 at 10:16PM
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karyn1(7a)

We plant rye as a fall/winter cover crop and plow it under in the spring. We also have terrible clay soil.
Karyn

    Bookmark     July 1, 2007 at 1:28AM
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