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jocelynpei

No, at that dilution, it's fine. I've bought a lot of chestnuts treated with bleach and got good germination. Mind you, for my own seed, I don't treat, I just keep the medium a little drier.

    Bookmark     January 9, 2014 at 4:17PM
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the_yard_guy(6A)

I agree with jocelyn, there are many different ways to stratify seeds. I have tried using the "paper towel" method and that works as well. As long as the seeds are damp and cold for the necessary length of time without fungal problems you should be fine.

As mentioned, I typically use plain, ordinary damp sand for seed stratification but I've read that other people use things like peat, pine bark, coarse gravel, even cotton facial pads, in place of sand. As long as your stratification medium is just barely damp you should be OK.

I strongly suggest not use any kind of regular garden soil without sterilizing it. You have no idea what kinds of weed seeds and bacteria may be in that soil.

I've not used bleach to sterilize the seeds but as stated above it seems to work very well. I find that peroxide works well on seeds, and I have never had any fungal/mold problems when using it.

Thanks

TYG

    Bookmark     January 11, 2014 at 7:49AM
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dochudson(6 / NYC)

Could you please direct me to the seller. I would like to buy them next year. So far my attempts have been futile.

Thanks in advance.

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 10:24AM
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brandon7 TN_zone(7)

You can buy them through Amazon.com (be sure to review the supplier's ratings though!)

www.seedscollector.com (I have no idea who the heck these people are, so purchase with caution) has them.

Seeds of India (limited, excellent Garden Watchdog rating) is supposed to have them in April.

There are more Murraya koenigii seed suppliers that you can find with Google. There are numerous suppliers if you want the plant instead of the seeds. For some reason, these seeds are mostly only available through non-standard sources without much of reputation to go by. I always like to know who I'm buying from, when possible.

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 8:38PM
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brandon7 TN_zone(7)

Lucille, if you found other threads particularly useful, could you post links to the ones you found most important? I'd be interested to see just what they said.

In my experience, whether more fibrous roots are better is not necessarily a one-size-fits-all kinda thing. More fibrous roots are probably better in many cases and especially where the plant will be permanently grown in pots, but occasionally there may be disadvantages (probably more technical than I want to go into here). Another things is that you don't have to change pots to get the same results.

Like before, I am not saying that you should only do it one way (or in this case avoid a certain way), but am just trying to present some things to consider. If you are able to post the links, maybe we can get an even better handle on what needs to be considered.

P.S. If you grow your seedling in flats, do remember to pot up in time. Separating out overgrown seedlings whose roots have significantly intermingled can be a little bit of a mess and may even result in extra root loss and set-back.

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 8:15PM
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lucillle

Brandon, just doing a search for 'fibrous roots' and 'potting up' brings up quite a bit.
I will for sure move them prior to their roots getting entangled, thanks for bringing that up.

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 8:34PM
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dowlinggram

I hardly think legit seed companies would offer them for sale if they were illegal and many in the USA and Canada have them in their catalogues

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 3:03PM
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kvbk(3)

Be discreet. Grow them in your backyard among your vegetables. They are more likely to attract thieves than to interest the police.

Here is a link that might be useful: more poppy pictures and growing notes on my gardening blog

This post was edited by kvbk on Sat, Jan 11, 14 at 0:05

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 4:07PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Sold as "Jester", Jolly Jester", and "French Jester" in the US.

See Burpee #34101 Marigold, French Court Jester Seed and Livingston Seed Company Jolly Jester.

Livingston Seeds are distributed by many local nurseries and seed vedors later this winter or you can order them online from Honeyman (link below).

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Honeyman Seeds

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 2:09PM
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Scree

Perfect! Thanks so much.

    Bookmark     January 10, 2014 at 4:02PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Did you check out all the info links I posted on your other thread about germinating and growing conifers?

Considered a fast grower at 1-2' per year after year 2. Lots of discussions about this variety already over on the Conifers forum here.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Web discussions about metasequoia germination, plant spacing and growth patterns

    Bookmark     January 7, 2014 at 3:02PM
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cugal(5b-6a NE Ks)

Dave = Patience Of Job ..........

    Bookmark     January 6, 2014 at 8:27PM
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lucillle

Agree, Dave is an asset to GW.

    Bookmark     January 7, 2014 at 6:58AM
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brandon7 TN_zone(7)

When you repot your oak seedling, you can prune the taproot to encourage a more branched root system. This will help it develop more appropriately for it's temporary home in a container. I like to hold my acorns over in the frig and sow them closer to spring, or, winter sow them so that they sprout topgrowth at the appropriate time. Either way, they start growing in their final location and root pruning is not necessary. But, they should be OK in the house temporarily if you take good care of them. You'll just need to be sure to address any potbound roots when you plant your oak outside. Below is a guide that may help you in your planting decisions.

Here is a link that might be useful: Planting a Tree or Shrub

    Bookmark     January 3, 2014 at 11:14PM
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weberriver

Awesome, thank you, Brandon! I didn't realize that potbound roots could cause that kind of damage later on, very very good to know. As for the oak babies, they're both still doing well, plenty of leaves now.

    Bookmark     January 6, 2014 at 7:59PM
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greenman62

before using liquid smoke, i would read the ingredients
make sure its not for food, it may have oils or something damaging.

certian species need those chemicals to germinate

good info on species etc...
http://finebushpeople.co.za/smoke_primer.html

http://depts.washington.edu/propplnt/2003guidelines/group1/Smoke%20Infusion.htm

Here is a link that might be useful: http://finebushpeople.co.za/smoke_primer.html

    Bookmark     January 6, 2014 at 4:48PM
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David.Sturtz(8)

There is good articles on the net about forest fires releasing seeds to germinate: http://creationrevolution.com/2012/06/plants-that-need-fire-to-survive
http://depts.washington.edu/propplnt/2003guidelines/group1/Smoke%20Infusion.htm
Also another one about Austrian plants requiring the same treatment: abohttp://aob.oxfordjournals.org/content/88/2/259.full.pdfut
As I mentioned in a previous posting Gibberellic acid may have similar results.

    Bookmark     January 6, 2014 at 5:44PM
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Slappalachian

Peppers are tricky LullabyF360. I am growing some bolivian rainbow chiles right now , Heres what I do. I use promix bx potting mix which is sterile, it is a bit chunky so I use a wire colander to make the perlite chunks smaller. Direct seed into a small plastic pot or or flat or cup with holes in the bottom for drainage, wet the potting mix and plant 1/4 inch deep. It is a must to use a heat mat for starting seeds. I use a great mat made by agritape, It has a copper probe and therostat to provide stable heat. Peppers germinate best between 75 and 85 degrees. I use a jiffy flat with a plastic top to hold in moisture, but plastic wrap will work. As soon as they come up I place them under a shop light that has 2 4 foot bulbs.Remove plastic wrap or cover. I use a phillips plant bulb, you can get the fixture and bulbs at home depot. I give them light 24 hours a day with the light several inches above the seedlings, the promix has enough fertilizer to get the plant along for several weeks, when I get at least 4 to 6 leaves I start giving them just a little food, I use bat guano with a NPK of 8-4-1 Fish emulsion mixed at 1/4 to 1/2 strength with get them growing good. Let the seedling almost dry out in between waterings. Let me know if this helps! Winston

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 7:11PM
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lylehale

I have been growing them for a year. I ordered from online (dunno where it was) and they sprouted easily. They were slow growing last season and I hae been overwintering them on my sunporch along with all my other exotic hot peppers. My question is they have almost no purple coloration on the stem and bright green leaves. Is it nutriet or light thats causing this? Is there a specific nutriet to add to soil to make them really purpley?

    Bookmark     January 6, 2014 at 2:44AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Just patience - lots of it - and maybe a few degrees more heat if possible to speed things up (75-78). I never use pelleted seeds so you might have to mist them a bit extra if the pellets don't seem to be dissolving.

Dave

    Bookmark     January 3, 2014 at 8:36PM
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cugal(5b-6a NE Ks)

Thanks Dave! You still da man! ;) I'm not seeing the pellets, so I assume they've dissolved.. Gave them a good misting when sowed..........

Time I have (ie, retired), patience, well............ About how long till germination? I've read from days to weeks.......

    Bookmark     January 4, 2014 at 5:53PM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Pro-Mix BX is one of the most frequently recommended. But then most all germination/seed starting mixes are "organic" since they only contain peat, vermiculite or perlite, and some lime. It only becomes an issue after germination when the seedlings are transplanted to growing/potting mixes.

Just never use any containing "soil" for either stage as long as they are in containers.

Other frequently recommended brands for starting seeds are Metro Mix 360, Foxfarm, Fafard, Gardener's Supply, Johnny's, etc

This link will take you to a list of many discussions of this question on GardenWeb and check one of the many previous discussions of this question on this forum linked below for more recommendations.

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: The best seed starting mix discussion

    Bookmark     January 4, 2014 at 2:47PM
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dbarron(z7_Arkansas)

I missed the clue for tuberous then...I assumed the easier wax :)

    Bookmark     January 1, 2014 at 6:31AM
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poisondartfrog

Shirley,
I grow them every year. Instead of starting in the greenhouse I begin indoors under lights so that I can monitor them. They are not difficult to germinate but as soon as they do you have to get them in good light quickly.
Don't be in a hurry to pot them on. They grow very slowly for the first six weeks and if they don't get the required light they just disappear. Keep them close to the source. Once they get past the tortoise stage I move mine into the greenhouse, but they should be fine indoors too if you have room to grow them on.

    Bookmark     January 3, 2014 at 7:51AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

Just in case - have you checked out all the "germinating" and "growing from seed" discussions over on the Trees Forum here?

Also check out these links:

Univ. of Nebraska Ext: How to Grow Conifers from Seed

Mother Earth News: How to grow conifers from seed

Growing Conifer Trees from Seed

Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Trees Forum

    Bookmark     January 2, 2014 at 12:35PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Hi digdirt - don't know if you noticed this is an old thread originally from March 2012 which has been revived.

    Bookmark     December 28, 2013 at 6:49AM
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digdirt2(6b-7a No.Cent. AR HZ8 Sun-35)

No I sure didn't. Thanks Flora. :)

Dave

    Bookmark     December 28, 2013 at 6:36PM
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